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Wallabies 2021

TSR

Mark Loane (55)
Yes - Samu was awesome, but Hooper on another level.

How long has it been, if ever, when Australia has had two players nominated and none from SA or NZ?
 

Dctarget

Simon Poidevin (60)
Me thinks Dupont will win it (and fair enough) or Itoje if not enough Frenchies get clicking.

I'll be voting a few times for Hooper though.
 

Joe Blow

Jim Lenehan (48)
Everyone keeps calling for Lolesio to start at 10 but he is no more ready now than when he took on the All Blacks, maybe less so having played no rugby since. I think we need to go with JOC (James O'Connor) for this match through default. Noah can be on the bench. He didn’t look great last week. Deer in the headlights stuff. It could backfire if he is not up to it and will cruel his chances of ever getting where a test 10 needs to be. While JOC (James O'Connor) has been largely ineffective as a playmaker he may come good this week. His Super Rugby form was decent and he has had a couple of weeks back in the saddle.
Put Perese in there close to him(13 would be my preference) to give him a good bail out option. Have Valentini, TT and Leota running off his hip all day for the short pass, Philip too.
Go back to simple territory based rugby that we played against the Boks for the first 60-70 minutes. Let’s get a win before heading home to lick our wounds and start to plan for next year.
Hooper has got to be odds on and Kellaway a good shout in his category too.
 

Joe Blow

Jim Lenehan (48)
If you play Lolesio, Paisami and Ikitau once again we are lacking any real experience in that mid field. I think that JOC (James O'Connor) warrants another start. By all means give Noah time from the bench, hopefully in a more comfortable stage of the game.
 

PhilClinton

Chilla Wilson (44)
While JOC (James O'Connor) has been largely ineffective as a playmaker he may come good this week. His Super Rugby form was decent and he has had a couple of weeks back in the saddle.
It pains me as a Reds fan to say this but quite possibly JOC (James O'Connor) looked decent because none of the other Super Rugby AU teams had any real quality playing in the 10/12/13 channel (pause for Brumbies fans to blow up).

He has looked pedestrian in the internationals, and yes has been out injured, but when you consider how much better Quade Cooper looked, for a bloke who's been playing second division in Japan, it hasn't been a great sighting by JOC (James O'Connor).
 

Joe Blow

Jim Lenehan (48)
It pains me as a Reds fan to say this but quite possibly JOC (James O'Connor) looked decent because none of the other Super Rugby AU teams had any real quality playing in the 10/12/13 channel (pause for Brumbies fans to blow up).

He has looked pedestrian in the internationals, and yes has been out injured, but when you consider how much better Quade Cooper looked, for a bloke who's been playing second division in Japan, it hasn't been a great sighting by JOC (James O'Connor).
But he looked better than Noah in Super Rugby. No doubt JOC (James O'Connor) is not the long term 10, but on tour he remains the best option. Lolesio may develop into a good test 10, but hes not close yet. If he was then Rennie would have persisted with him through the RC and not reached out to Foley and then Cooper.
Quade was outstanding. Not sure what the 2nd division Japanese quip is meant to prove? Cooper is as fit as anyone in the squad and making 2023 will not be an issue from a fitness point of view. If Noah or one of the other young 10s stand up in Super Rugby next year that would be great.
What is important this week is getting a win to finish off the year.
 

Jets

Paul McLean (56)
Staff member
I'd say playing 2nd division in Japan has been good for Quade, can play very flat to the line. Pretty sure his team has been promoted to the Top League for 2022 though.
 

PhilClinton

Chilla Wilson (44)
But he looked better than Noah in Super Rugby. No doubt JOC (James O'Connor) is not the long term 10, but on tour he remains the best option. Lolesio may develop into a good test 10, but hes not close yet. If he was then Rennie would have persisted with him through the RC and not reached out to Foley and then Cooper.
Quade was outstanding. Not sure what the 2nd division Japanese quip is meant to prove? Cooper is as fit as anyone in the squad and making 2023 will not be an issue from a fitness point of view. If Noah or one of the other young 10s stand up in Super Rugby next year that would be great.
What is important this week is getting a win to finish off the year.
Wasn't meant to be a dig at Quade, moreso ironic that Quade was shuffled out of the Reds essentially for JOC (James O'Connor) to take his position, and now Quade Cooper is seen as a far superior alternative, when he's running around in 2nd division overseas rugby, instead of 'top tier' Super Rugby.

In saying that - the form Quade Cooper has shown from playing club rugby for Souths to beating the Springboks, are two totally different players.
 

Joe Blow

Jim Lenehan (48)
Wasn't meant to be a dig at Quade, moreso ironic that Quade was shuffled out of the Reds essentially for JOC (James O'Connor) to take his position, and now Quade Cooper is seen as a far superior alternative, when he's running around in 2nd division overseas rugby, instead of 'top tier' Super Rugby.

In saying that - the form Quade Cooper has shown from playing club rugby for Souths to beating the Springboks, are two totally different players.
Thats on Thorn. Same deal with Slipper when what he really needed was support.
Quade Cooper is displaying the same skills he always did, for Australia and Souths. He just has it together in the top two inches now. Best for Australian rugby to take advantage of that. He is a natural 10 with all the skills, always has been.
JOC (James O'Connor) is not a natural 10 and neither is Lolesio. They are both 12s converted. Well, JOC (James O'Connor) has played every position in the backs except for 9 but I would say he is a more natural centre.
Maybe Noah will come through or one of Harrison, Donaldson or Gordon will. But for now it is Quade and then daylight.
As said, we need a win this week and have just lost Hooper as well. We need JOC (James O'Connor) there for his experience and leadership. Maybe at 12 but I would wager that we will see him start at 10.
 

Adam84

Mark Ella (57)
Thats on Thorn. Same deal with Slipper when what he really needed was support.
Quade Cooper is displaying the same skills he always did, for Australia and Souths. He just has it together in the top two inches now. Best for Australian rugby to take advantage of that. He is a natural 10 with all the skills, always has been.
JOC (James O'Connor) is not a natural 10 and neither is Lolesio. They are both 12s converted. Well, JOC (James O'Connor) has played every position in the backs except for 9 but I would say he is a more natural centre.
Maybe Noah will come through or one of Harrison, Donaldson or Gordon will. But for now it is Quade and then daylight.
As said, we need a win this week and have just lost Hooper as well. We need JOC (James O'Connor) there for his experience and leadership. Maybe at 12 but I would wager that we will see him start at 10.

I love Quade… but Quade during 2017-2019 wasn’t the same Quade who played test rugby this year, massive difference in maturity.

Quade might have always had the skill but it was his game control and decision making which went missing at times, he was poor in 2017 for the Reds, overplayed his hand in 2018 during the Souths semi-final and lost the game, started the season well in 2019 for Rebels before fizzling out. Wasn’t just Thorn who dropped him, so too did Cheika and Deans.

I‘d argue his performance this year could be attributed in part due to those key events over the years and i believe he has said as much.
 
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PhilClinton

Chilla Wilson (44)
Let’s be real, prior to a few months ago, Quade was a 501-1 shot of ever playing in gold again, mostly based around his last performances in Australia.

Let’s also not forget he was in Australia for ages in 2020 training with a club rugby side and making half comments about wanting a short term NRL contract. Commenters on here, myself included, were laughing at the fact that any team would consider signing a 31yr old Quade even to a short deal.

It has been a really good ‘I’ve still got it’ moment from Quade to show his worth this year.
 

Derpus

John Eales (66)
Let’s be real, prior to a few months ago, Quade was a 501-1 shot of ever playing in gold again, mostly based around his last performances in Australia.

Let’s also not forget he was in Australia for ages in 2020 training with a club rugby side and making half comments about wanting a short term NRL contract. Commenters on here, myself included, were laughing at the fact that any team would consider signing a 31yr old Quade even to a short deal.

It has been a really good ‘I’ve still got it’ moment from Quade to show his worth this year.
I thought the Japan game suggested that it was primarily Kerevi making him look so good. He even joined in on the intercept party.

He was still better than our other options but Kerevi was the game changer.
 

Derpus

John Eales (66)
Isnt it shite we can't select the best centre in the world and world player of the year nominee but, eh?
 

PhilClinton

Chilla Wilson (44)
I thought the Japan game suggested that it was primarily Kerevi making him look so good. He even joined in on the intercept party.

He was still better than our other options but Kerevi was the game changer.
Agreed Kerevi was the real gun. But for Quade Cooper to even be considered for selection again, and actually play some of his better footy, I think is quite remarkable.
 
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