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John Eales (66)
Next weeks games are not in the Reg 9 window, so any release for the Springbok players is something they will have specifically negotiated through things like "peace deals, etc."...
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
South Africa have real power in world rugby, Australia don't
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Michael Lynagh (62)
Is this on record? I haven't seen it do you have a link?
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Johnnie Wallace (23)
Yes was more getting at the decision for Koroibete (and Kerevi/Cooper, but injured) to be excluded from the Spring Tour altogether.
The less said about tests outside the window the better; again, I hope no administrators talk about others "devaluing" the jersey...
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Peter Sullivan (51)
many, many years ago i was part of a Combined Unis set up that played the AB's in Brisbane, 3 days after a test in Sydney, there were about half a dozen Wallabies in the team, all looked pretty beaten up, especially the blokes in the tight five, so 40 odd years later when both sides are physically bigger, hit harder and for a more sustained time, i can well imagine walking the next day isn't much fun.
OK, stats time again. I've gone back through the stats from every test this year looking solely at penalties and TOs conceded.
Let's look at penalties and start with our most disciplined.
10 players used this year did NOT give away a penalty. That includes the likes of Vunivalu, Donaldson, Pollard, Simone, Gleeson and Perese who played less than a half of rugby.
The best of the others are:
Samu Kerevi - 0 penalties in 240 minutes
Tom Banks - 0 in 167
Sio - 0 in 101
Hanigan - 0 in 98
That Sio stat is pretty impressive given he is in a traditionally penalty rich position.
Looking at a Minutes per Penalty perspective, the best of the rest are:
Petaia = 335 (1 penalty in 335 mins)
Hodge = 304
Ikitau = 294 (3 in 884 mins)
Frost = 216
Samu = 204
Impressive stuff by the two forwards there.
At the other end of the scale we have:
Robertson with a penalty every 8.5 minutes (only played 34 mins).
Quade and Pone at 23.50 (both only played 47 mins)
Then we get into the ones that have played real minutes. Most of these shouldn't surprise but they are still concerning.
Tupou gives a penalty away every 30.17 minutes
Slipper - every 34 minutes (has given away the most penalties overall with 21)
Skelton - every 37.33 mins
Porecki - every 37.42
Bell - 37.60
They are the ones giving away a penalty every half they play.
But now to add in turnovers and we come up with a minutes per stuff up (with a multiplier for yellow cards and red cards so not a pure per minute thing, but more an indicator of ill-discipline).
Focusing on the players with over 100 mins of test footy this year the top most disciplined are:
1 - Sio = in 101 minutes of footy, has not conceded a penalty or given away a turnover.
2 - Arnold = 160 mins per stuff up
3 - Kerevi = 120
4 - Valetini = 84.27
5 - Banks = 83.50
6 - Samu = 81.80
7 - Nawaqanitawase = 80
On the other end of the scale:
1 - O'Connor = 15.25 mins per stuff up
2 - Gordon = 19.54
3 - Tupou = 27.85
4 - Skelton = 28
5 - Foley = 29.15 (only 2 penalties but 11 turnovers!)
6 - Slipper = 29.75
7 - Swain = 29.92
8 - Porecki = 29.93
they are the ones making a mistake every half an hour of test footy.
To take it one further step, the most disciplined team we could pick based on form this year (min 80 mins of game play) would be:
15 Tom Banks
14 Mark Nawaqanitawase
13 Len Ikitau
12 Samu Kerevi
11 Andrew Kellaway
10 Noah Loloesio
9 Nic White
8 Rob Valetini
7 Pete Samu
6 Ned Hanigan
5 Matt Philip
4 Rory Arnold
3 Allan Ala'alatoa
2 Lachlan Lonergan
1 Scott Sio
9 from the Brumbies this year
Let's look at penalties and start with our most disciplined.
10 players used this year did NOT give away a penalty. That includes the likes of Vunivalu, Donaldson, Pollard, Simone, Gleeson and Perese who played less than a half of rugby.
The best of the others are:
Samu Kerevi - 0 penalties in 240 minutes
Tom Banks - 0 in 167
Sio - 0 in 101
Hanigan - 0 in 98
That Sio stat is pretty impressive given he is in a traditionally penalty rich position.
Looking at a Minutes per Penalty perspective, the best of the rest are:
Petaia = 335 (1 penalty in 335 mins)
Hodge = 304
Ikitau = 294 (3 in 884 mins)
Frost = 216
Samu = 204
Impressive stuff by the two forwards there.
At the other end of the scale we have:
Robertson with a penalty every 8.5 minutes (only played 34 mins).
Quade and Pone at 23.50 (both only played 47 mins)
Then we get into the ones that have played real minutes. Most of these shouldn't surprise but they are still concerning.
Tupou gives a penalty away every 30.17 minutes
Slipper - every 34 minutes (has given away the most penalties overall with 21)
Skelton - every 37.33 mins
Porecki - every 37.42
Bell - 37.60
They are the ones giving away a penalty every half they play.
But now to add in turnovers and we come up with a minutes per stuff up (with a multiplier for yellow cards and red cards so not a pure per minute thing, but more an indicator of ill-discipline).
Focusing on the players with over 100 mins of test footy this year the top most disciplined are:
1 - Sio = in 101 minutes of footy, has not conceded a penalty or given away a turnover.
2 - Arnold = 160 mins per stuff up
3 - Kerevi = 120
4 - Valetini = 84.27
5 - Banks = 83.50
6 - Samu = 81.80
7 - Nawaqanitawase = 80
On the other end of the scale:
1 - O'Connor = 15.25 mins per stuff up
2 - Gordon = 19.54
3 - Tupou = 27.85
4 - Skelton = 28
5 - Foley = 29.15 (only 2 penalties but 11 turnovers!)
6 - Slipper = 29.75
7 - Swain = 29.92
8 - Porecki = 29.93
they are the ones making a mistake every half an hour of test footy.
To take it one further step, the most disciplined team we could pick based on form this year (min 80 mins of game play) would be:
15 Tom Banks
14 Mark Nawaqanitawase
13 Len Ikitau
12 Samu Kerevi
11 Andrew Kellaway
10 Noah Loloesio
9 Nic White
8 Rob Valetini
7 Pete Samu
6 Ned Hanigan
5 Matt Philip
4 Rory Arnold
3 Allan Ala'alatoa
2 Lachlan Lonergan
1 Scott Sio
9 from the Brumbies this year
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Ken Catchpole (46)
Nice work
But I would venture that person above is worth at least 4 "FFS I can't stand refereeing this friggen team, I'ma teach them a lesson by penalizing them for whatever the hell I can find" penalties per match.
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David Wilson (68)
Top work, Reg. Love the 15 you came up with.
PhilClinton
Paul McLean (56)
@RugbyReg very good stuff.
Is there a metric for involvements within those minutes played?
For example it’s not surprising to see two fly halves, a halfback and some front rowers in the high stuff up group, they’re in positions with lots of touches/lineout throws/scrum penalties, high ball usage positions.
For the likes of Samu and Valetini, are they getting through a decent amount of work with effective ball carrying whilst playing those error free minutes?
I guess what I’m saying is error free minutes played doesn’t always equal valuable work on the field so it would be interesting to see how it lines up.
Is there a metric for involvements within those minutes played?
For example it’s not surprising to see two fly halves, a halfback and some front rowers in the high stuff up group, they’re in positions with lots of touches/lineout throws/scrum penalties, high ball usage positions.
For the likes of Samu and Valetini, are they getting through a decent amount of work with effective ball carrying whilst playing those error free minutes?
I guess what I’m saying is error free minutes played doesn’t always equal valuable work on the field so it would be interesting to see how it lines up.
Yep something to look at.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
That's not a half bad side Reg!
HogansHeros
Alex Ross (28)
Yep, big fan of that side!
Joe Blow
John Hipwell (52)
Maybe. LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) was not picked all year when available and Sio sporadically, although his form was excellent.
Joe Blow
John Hipwell (52)
TT will be in a real race to be fit for the RWC. He struggled after his last injury break. This will make Pone a priority to have coming off the bench and also means they need to groom another TH.
I suspect RA will let DR pick who he wants for the RWC, irregardless of where they play.
I suspect RA will let DR pick who he wants for the RWC, irregardless of where they play.
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Steve Williams (59)
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John Eales (66)
Excellent work there Reg. Just out of interest because he is a key player but isn't mentioned at all, where does Michael Hooper fit within that analysis?
Adam84
John Eales (66)
The 5 tests in a row having nothing to do with the injury toll up until this point though.