How many drug tests did Johns fail during his career?
Therein lies the difference between his situation and Sailor's.
Therein lies the difference between his situation and Sailor's.
Waratahs 2015
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Is the ARU likely to refuse to register a Super Rugby contract though. I highly doubt it. They've never done it before to my knowledge.
I think it will ultimately be up to Beale whether he plays for the Waratahs next year or not.
Remember that JOC (James O'Connor) could have stayed in Australian Rugby and played for the Force if they had been able to reach an agreement.
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JOC (James O'Connor)'s actions were different too.
Plenty have been quoting high standards expected in the Rugby Workplace as the reason to bone KB (Kurtley Beale).
I am told that the legal profession has high standards of behaviour.
This lawyer looks like getting stood down for two months for his sexual harassment.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/l...n-one-hour-20141021-1197xg.html#ixzz3GogHa15I
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The Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) found the lawyer did not have Asperger's but had "a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde personality" where on the one hand he was seen as a highly competent, respected, intelligent and outgoing solicitor and friend. On the other hand, VCAT found his behaviour towards the woman portrayed "a persistent sexual predator capable of considerable cunning, humiliating behaviour and deceit".
The appeal judges said that to treat a woman he was training in that fashion was "unquestionably despicable unprofessional conduct".
But the judges, in granting the appeal, said there was no evidence to suggest the lawyer had preyed on any other woman, he had already paid $100,000 compensation and his professional standards were "impeccable".
Not saying that what KB (Kurtley Beale) (if the facts confirm the allegations) did was right or excusable, but the above example is an actual case of sexual harassment in the workplace and despicable unprofessional conduct, and there is no talk of life bans or complete de-registration.
I am told that the legal profession has high standards of behaviour.
This lawyer looks like getting stood down for two months for his sexual harassment.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/l...n-one-hour-20141021-1197xg.html#ixzz3GogHa15I
Extract:
The Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) found the lawyer did not have Asperger's but had "a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde personality" where on the one hand he was seen as a highly competent, respected, intelligent and outgoing solicitor and friend. On the other hand, VCAT found his behaviour towards the woman portrayed "a persistent sexual predator capable of considerable cunning, humiliating behaviour and deceit".
The appeal judges said that to treat a woman he was training in that fashion was "unquestionably despicable unprofessional conduct".
But the judges, in granting the appeal, said there was no evidence to suggest the lawyer had preyed on any other woman, he had already paid $100,000 compensation and his professional standards were "impeccable".
Not saying that what KB (Kurtley Beale) (if the facts confirm the allegations) did was right or excusable, but the above example is an actual case of sexual harassment in the workplace and despicable unprofessional conduct, and there is no talk of life bans or complete de-registration.
Of course the situation was different, but it's probably the most comparable in terms of the ARU punishing a player by removing their ARU top up contract.
Seems unlikely that the ARU would take that step to refuse someone's Super Rugby contract.
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David Codey (61)
My understanding was that after the airplane incident in perth it may have been the case, but there was no deal they needed to refuse, which is the way these things usually seem to go with teams told on the quiet the player is temporarily unsignable. I don't have a specific precedent in aus rugby, but in the NRL Greg bird and Todd Carney are a couple that come to mind. Bird's actions were worse than Beale's but Carney has a similar record to Beale, and the final straw was arguably not as bad.
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David Wilson (68)
I'm not sure that the ARU intend to do much at all. If they didn't want him to play next year they could just not offer him a contract. This current process strikes me as a way to keep him in Australian rugby.
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Mark Ella (57)
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Bill McLean (32)
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
Happy to wait until investigation complete and, if guilty (yeah right) the penalty imposed. That should go at least 20 pages on G&G
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John Solomon (38)
KB (Kurtley Beale)'s not in the squad for Europe. Consequence of delaying the hearing until after the plane leaves, I guess.
How is our playing roster looking for 2015?
While the ARU will not be "funding" EPS next year, there will need to be a Wider Training Group or some such mob organised to warehouse up and coming and fringe Tahs.
Who has played their way into this wider training group from NRC?
Is there any development tours or games for Waratahs A as part of preseason?
While the ARU will not be "funding" EPS next year, there will need to be a Wider Training Group or some such mob organised to warehouse up and coming and fringe Tahs.
Who has played their way into this wider training group from NRC?
Is there any development tours or games for Waratahs A as part of preseason?
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Mark Ella (57)
To me, as a Reds supporter, it will be very interesting to see if Cheika can put in the same effort in 2015, wearing 2 hats - Wallaby and Tahs.
Tahs at the top, but hard to stay there - Reds are going to surge in 2015
Tahs at the top, but hard to stay there - Reds are going to surge in 2015
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
I'm sure that there will be some effect, but in 2015 being a RWC year there are less tests (no June tests against NH teams), Super rugby finishes on 4 July (the final) and the RC starts on 18 July v Boks in Brisbane.
I don't think it would be possible to wear the 2 hats in anything but an RWC year.
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
maybe, just maybe - we shall see
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
^^^ It's possible, but I don't think it's ideal.
topgun
Billy Sheehan (19)
I think for the Future when Cliffy fades away or signs in Japan the Tahs need to groom Tala Gray and Jed Holloway as much as possible. Also, there's an Aussie lad playing for Montuaban in France called Keliti Vaingalo, He's built like a wardrobe filled with cement and may be the bullocking replacement for Cliff when he returns.
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Ken Catchpole (46)
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