Waratahs v Lions - 2011R14
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Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
That's got to be a gee-up. I 100% agree that TPN & Ulugia should be the hookers this week with Fitzy starting in Shute. If he goes OK there then we can think about changes for the SA trip. But I want at least one hooker in the team who is not coming back from a major injury.
Brumbies Guy
John Solomon (38)
Like when it was only the Cheetahs earlier this year?
I agree with Hawko, Tah's should be pushing for their strongest possible 22 with wins becoming so critical now at the tail end of the season for a top 6 finals berth, we all want to see 2 Australian teams in there.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
Surely there is absolutely, utterly, unequivocally, irrefutably, no way known to man or beast that the Tahs (with their excellent forwards and just as excellent defence) could ever, ever lose to the 2011 Lions?
rugbysmartarse
Alan Cameron (40)
So the thumb implants went ok?
Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
Unfortunately Hickey seems very adamant in the press that TPN and Fitzy will be selected.
qwerty51
Stirling Mortlock (74)
I don't want Fitzpatrick going over to SA with no Super rugby under his belt. It's really not a risk. Both are high quality hookers and haven't been out that long. It is the Lions after all, yes I'm aware of their challenge but their set-piece ain't their strong point at all!
Bruce Ross
Ken Catchpole (46)
You wouldn't be trying to put the mocker on our blokes by any chance, RH?
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
No way BR! I was rather reflecting upon a sense I detected that some Tahs' fans seemed to imply there could be a sliver of doubt about Saturday's Tahs' match.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
There shouldn't be any doubt whatsoever, but the 2011 vintage Tahs haven't always inspired confidence. They need to jump out of the gates and smash the Lions right from the word go. At this stage of the season, every possible point they can muster is important.
Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
You will excuse us rusted-on Tahs fans having the odd moment of doubt. The Lions played well last weekend (as best you can evaluate against the poor ponies) and the Cheetahs game was a very sobering experience.
Crow
Jimmy Flynn (14)
"Tahs sufferers" is more appropriate that "Tahs supporters" sometimes. You stick with them, but watch the games without hope. Occasionally they play like they've got it all together, only to break your heart again. 2 weeks this year. I'm hoping for 3 next year.
My psych tells me that if I were a Red's fan, I could get off the meds
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RuckinGoodStats
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Some stats to help the debate...
According to me,
Tahs conceding on average 8.8 pens per game.This is the 2nd lowest in the competition.
Of these 8.8, 4.6 are conceded at the ruck/maul. This is the lowest in the competition.
They are missing 11.5 tackles per game this is the 2nd lowest in the comp.
Handling errors are averaging 9.7 per game this is the 5th= highest in comp.
Handling errors contribute to them averaging 19.3 lost possession/turnovers per game. This is 3rd lowest in comp.
Lions conceding on average 9.9 pens per game.This is the 8th lowest in the competition.
Of these 9.9, 5.8 are conceded at the ruck/maul. This is the 6th= highest in the competition.
They are missing 13 tackles per game this 5th= lowest in the comp.
Handling errors are averaging 7.8 per game this is the 2nd lowest in comp.
Handling errors contribute to them averaging 21.3 lost possession/turnovers per game. This is 6th highest in comp.
Is anyone interested in the 95% confidence levels? I'm never sure if I should put those in.
Might post the ref stats 10 mins (if I remember) before the start so check back
According to me,
Tahs conceding on average 8.8 pens per game.This is the 2nd lowest in the competition.
Of these 8.8, 4.6 are conceded at the ruck/maul. This is the lowest in the competition.
They are missing 11.5 tackles per game this is the 2nd lowest in the comp.
Handling errors are averaging 9.7 per game this is the 5th= highest in comp.
Handling errors contribute to them averaging 19.3 lost possession/turnovers per game. This is 3rd lowest in comp.
Lions conceding on average 9.9 pens per game.This is the 8th lowest in the competition.
Of these 9.9, 5.8 are conceded at the ruck/maul. This is the 6th= highest in the competition.
They are missing 13 tackles per game this 5th= lowest in the comp.
Handling errors are averaging 7.8 per game this is the 2nd lowest in comp.
Handling errors contribute to them averaging 21.3 lost possession/turnovers per game. This is 6th highest in comp.
Is anyone interested in the 95% confidence levels? I'm never sure if I should put those in.
Might post the ref stats 10 mins (if I remember) before the start so check back
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
Lions:
15 Jaco Taute, 14 Lionel Mapoe, 13 Alwyn Hollenbach, 12 Doppies La Grange (c), 11 Deon Van Rensburg ,10 Butch James, 9 Jano Vermaak, 8 Joshua Strauss (vc) , 7 Michael Rhodes, 6 Derick Minnie, 5 Franco Van der Merwe, 4 Wikus Van Heerden, 3 Patric Cilliers, 2 Bandise Maku, 1 JC Janse van Rensburg
Reserve: 16 Edgar Marutlulle, 17 Jacobie Adriaanse, 18 Warren Whiteley, 19 Cobus Grobbelaar, 20 Rory Kockott, 21 Elton Jantjies , 22 Dylan Des Fontein
15 Jaco Taute, 14 Lionel Mapoe, 13 Alwyn Hollenbach, 12 Doppies La Grange (c), 11 Deon Van Rensburg ,10 Butch James, 9 Jano Vermaak, 8 Joshua Strauss (vc) , 7 Michael Rhodes, 6 Derick Minnie, 5 Franco Van der Merwe, 4 Wikus Van Heerden, 3 Patric Cilliers, 2 Bandise Maku, 1 JC Janse van Rensburg
Reserve: 16 Edgar Marutlulle, 17 Jacobie Adriaanse, 18 Warren Whiteley, 19 Cobus Grobbelaar, 20 Rory Kockott, 21 Elton Jantjies , 22 Dylan Des Fontein
Blue
Andrew Slack (58)
Impressed by Rhodes Paarl. What is his background?
Pretty lightweight pack for a Lions team. Props are midgets.
Butch by ten.
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
Ex Sharks player.
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Cilliers aswell. Minnie and Josh their hard workers give Rhodes the freedom to express himself. Glad to see they finally have the guts and trust to start with Taute. Been telling this since the start of the season. Regarding the fatties, JC not that bad and know Jacobie well, played Paarl Gym and from Klawer, boetie plays for the Tin Ears from the bench.
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