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Where to for Super Rugby?

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Adam84

Mark Ella (57)
If they’re not planning for a 10 team 6 week tournament then they have rocks in their head.
I’d argue they should even auction off the hosting rights of the GF, Super Bowl style.
 

waiopehu oldboy

George Gregan (70)
Six-week, 10-team TT set to be confirmed very soon according to SMH:

"A six-week, 10-team trans-Tasman Super Rugby competition is days away from being signed off by Rugby Australia and New Zealand Rugby.......

"........the Sydney Morning Herald can reveal a six-week competition – in which the five Australian teams will play each New Zealand franchise once – is set to be approved in the coming days.

"The two teams that finish at the top of the 10-team ladder will then square off in a trans-Tasman Super Rugby final."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby...w-transtasman-super-rugby-competition-in-2021
 

hoggy

Cyril Towers (30)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby...w-transtasman-super-rugby-competition-in-2021

A good common sense approach moving forward, allows each union to promote its own domestic competition but gives it options moving forward with a TT comp, I for one hope that we don't go fully with a TT from 2022, the game needs some clear air especially in Aus to grow, that format moving forward will give the game enough flexibility to adjust.
 

Omar Comin'

Chilla Wilson (44)
Six-week, 10-team TT set to be confirmed very soon according to SMH:

"A six-week, 10-team trans-Tasman Super Rugby competition is days away from being signed off by Rugby Australia and New Zealand Rugby...

"....the Sydney Morning Herald can reveal a six-week competition – in which the five Australian teams will play each New Zealand franchise once – is set to be approved in the coming days.

"The two teams that finish at the top of the 10-team ladder will then square off in a trans-Tasman Super Rugby final."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby...w-transtasman-super-rugby-competition-in-2021

So this is what I thought it would be, except with the final between the 2 teams with the most points after 5 weeks, rather than the top Australian team vs the top NZ team.

This will make it a lot harder for 1 team from each country to make the final presuming 1 country has more competitive teams. For example, if the 5 Australian teams are significantly stronger on average than the 5 NZ teams (which seems very likely after last weekend), it'd be harder for the top NZ team to accumulate as many points against 5 strong Australian teams than the 2nd best Australian team against 5 kiwi sides that includes 2 or 3 easy beats.
 

Braveheart81

James Horwill (77)
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So I was wrong on my prediction for the Trans Tasman comp.

Is the 6 weeks one game against each of the opposing country teams followed by a final between the top Aussie and top NZ team with the points from the regular season carrying through?

Clearly we need all our teams to have more opportunities to play and host games but this could also produce some pretty lopsided results.
 

KOB1987

Michael Lynagh (62)
So I was wrong on my prediction for the Trans Tasman comp.

Is the 6 weeks one game against each of the opposing country teams followed by a final between the top Aussie and top NZ team with the points from the regular season carrying through?

Clearly we need all our teams to have more opportunities to play and host games but this could also produce some pretty lopsided results.
Notwithstanding the lopsided results, it makes sense to test this format for next season and then tinker with it.
 

Adam84

Mark Ella (57)
So I was wrong on my prediction for the Trans Tasman comp.

Is the 6 weeks one game against each of the opposing country teams followed by a final between the top Aussie and top NZ team with the points from the regular season carrying through?

Clearly we need all our teams to have more opportunities to play and host games but this could also produce some pretty lopsided results.

mate, if teams aren’t playing then they’re losing money, professional sporting teams can’t survive on just 4 home games a year, or a 8 game regular season...
 

dru

Phil Kearns (64)
^ I'd be very surprised if it's not top Au v top NZ as that kinda defeats the purpose of a Trans-Tasman comp.

Though literal English suggests this is the announcement.

I don’t have a big problem, but we will quickly return to the old issue of level playing field and AB selection. As long as it runs two independent domestic comps to start with it’s fine. Replace these with one integrated TT and we are back to problems.
 

Omar Comin'

Chilla Wilson (44)
Is the 6 weeks one game against each of the opposing country teams followed by a final between the top Aussie and top NZ team with the points from the regular season carrying through?

I think it would be a lot better if points from the domestic comps do not carry through. Otherwise you'll have multiple teams starting the TT competition with pretty much 0 chance of making the final.

I think it will be great if teams that underperformed in the domestic comp have an opportunity to turn their season around and potentially win a trophy. It's like in soccer where a team might underperform in the Premier League but still go on a run in the champions league or FA Cup.
 

Braveheart81

James Horwill (77)
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I think it would be a lot better if points from the domestic comps do not carry through. Otherwise you'll have multiple teams starting the TT competition with pretty much 0 chance of making the final.

I think it will be great if teams that underperformed in the domestic comp have an opportunity to turn their season around and potentially win a trophy. It's like in soccer where a team might underperform in the Premier League but still go on a run in the champions league or FA Cup.


I agree on one hand but if there is a big discrepancy between the standard of both comps it's going to be really highlighted if the final is between the Crusaders on 5 wins and the Brumbies on 1 win with NZ teams on 5 and 4 wins missing out.
 

Adam84

Mark Ella (57)
I agree on one hand but if there is a big discrepancy between the standard of both comps it's going to be really highlighted if the final is between the Crusaders on 5 wins and the Brumbies on 1 win with NZ teams on 5 and 4 wins missing out.

Yes, it’s a chance but what’s the alternative?
Whats the alternative to producing content broadcasters want to pay for, and fans pay to attend?
I mean, I think we all understand the difference between quality of some of the teams, but i just don’t see how playing less rugby and taking less money is going to solve the issue either.
 

Braveheart81

James Horwill (77)
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Yes, it’s a chance but what’s the alternative?
Whats the alternative to producing content broadcasters want to pay for, and fans pay to attend?
I mean, I think we all understand the difference between quality of some of the teams, but i just don’t see how playing less rugby and taking less money is going to solve the issue either.


I don't know.

Maybe a top 6 (3 + 3) that play 5 games plus a final so a completely fresh comp where everyone plays everyone.

And a plate comp with the bottom 4 that play a double round robin with first past the post for the same number of games.

I don't think any of them are ideal but realistically this is just for one season.
 

Omar Comin'

Chilla Wilson (44)
I agree on one hand but if there is a big discrepancy between the standard of both comps it's going to be really highlighted if the final is between the Crusaders on 5 wins and the Brumbies on 1 win with NZ teams on 5 and 4 wins missing out.


Well the announcement seems to suggest they're going to determine the finalists by total points in a 10 team ladder, so that wouldn't happen. Though I would prefer that to happen.

Both options have some potential unfairness. In a 10 team table the best New Zealand team could be obviously the 2nd best team out of the 10 but miss the final because the 2nd best Australian team had an easier draw.
 

Adam84

Mark Ella (57)
I don't know.

Maybe a top 6 (3 + 3) that play 5 games plus a final so a completely fresh comp where everyone plays everyone.

And a plate comp with the bottom 4 that play a double round robin with first past the post for the same number of games.

I don't think any of them are ideal but realistically this is just for one season.

Financially it’s not “one season” though, that ‘one off’ season has already occurred, if they delay the return to normality another year then that’s 2 years of financial oblivion neither organisation can afford.. 2021 needs to be a year where they stop the financial haemorrhaging, and the best way for that to occur is by all teams playing games producing content for the fans and broadcasters,

I dont agree to splitting the teams based on ranking of the domestic tournament either, there isn’t enough teams to split it and it makes it logistically a very difficult tournament to plan for, as they won’t know oppositions, dates or even home games to book stadiums or sell season tickets for.
 

Braveheart81

James Horwill (77)
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Financially it’s not “one season” though, that ‘one off’ season has already occurred, if they delay the return to normality another year then that’s 2 years of financial oblivion neither organisation can afford.. 2021 needs to be a year where they stop the financial haemorrhaging, and the best way for that to occur is by all teams playing games producing content for the fans and broadcasters,

I dont agree to splitting the teams based on ranking of the domestic tournament either, there isn’t enough teams to split it and it makes it logistically a very difficult tournament to plan for, as they won’t know oppositions, dates or even home games to book stadiums or sell season tickets for.


I agree that we need to allow for enough games next season to make teams viable.

I meant that this is just one season though because it looks like we are heading towards a 12 team format for 2022 onwards with a single competition being played for the whole season.

So the Trans Tasman component next season is only likely to go for one year.
 

Omar Comin'

Chilla Wilson (44)
I don't think any of them are ideal but realistically this is just for one season.


You never know. It could go brilliantly and everyone want to continue with the same multi-tournament structure. It would reduce the number of inconsequential games to near 0. If you bring in some of the top Japanese and in time, South American teams you could have a 16 team tournament with 4 pools of 4 followed by quarter finals etc.
 

Adam84

Mark Ella (57)
I think they’ve looked at the simplest way to maximise content in the new COVID world, and a 6 week 10 team tournament is it.

if they start complicating it further with pools and plates, people just won’t understand what’s going on, marketing a top 6 and a bottom 4 plate after the domestic super rugby tournament would be a horrid tasking.

if the 2021 season works, I see no reason why they don’t continue that format in subsequent years.
 
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