Wallabies v Ireland, Saturday 16th June, 8.00pm, AAMI Park, Melbourne

[Quick Hands]

I come on this website cos I live in australia and have a big interest in the wallabies but obviously not when playing ireland but also to get a different opinion on things because I mostly r ad Irish and uk sites , I like to seee Both sides of it

What i said Earlier and starting to find so frustrating about rugby is the constant blaming about the referee . A quick read of Irish sites and media will show you the uproar , about how we not only beat australia but the referee there is huge complaining about the referee . They believe he was shocking

Plenty posters here and complaining from an Australian angle which is fine, but it's interesting to see the polar opposite veiws, a read of an Irish site is interesting to see how different the opinion is

It's seems in the last 5-8 yrs that every single game if it's not a 30+ margin comes down to complaining about the ref
I think it's becoming a scourge on the game as it's

Even now when we have won we are Complaning again that only the ref kept oz in it

Its every team every country After nearly every game

Australia by 20+ next week

I agree to an extent, but it's the referees themselves and the authorities (IRB/WR (World Rugby)/SANZAAR) who are at least partially responsible for this. Increasingly over the past 5 years, referees have taken more and more of the limelight - miked up to each other and to the TV broadcast, increasing TMO involvment, etc. I'd love to know how many minutes of last night's test involved the 30 players taking no part in the action and one or more of the officials in centre screen discussing some possible infringement or event. If the refs were seen and heard a lot less, they might take a bit of pressure off themselves.

Can't see Australia winning next week, but I'll take it if it comes.

 

[cyclopath]

If I was an Irish fan, I'd be complaining about no Aussie being carded, despite 3 warnings for goal line infringements. If roles were reversed, there would have been plenty of complaints on this thread.

I commented last night to the mate I was watching with that we were lucky Ireland scored their second try then, because we were going to lose one if they didn't.

 

[Up the Guts]

I commented last night to the mate I was watching with that we were lucky Ireland scored their second try then, because we were going to lose one if they didn't.

I think Irish fans would be pretty rightfully annoyed that we conceded so many penalties in the red zone but go no card yet they had a penalty try/yellow card immediately.

 

[cyclopath]

I think Irish fans would be pretty rightfully annoyed that we conceded so many penalties in the red zone but go no card yet they had a penalty try/yellow card immediately.

Collapsed maul over the line will get a penalty try pretty much every time. Offside in defence will usually get at least one warning - if a player is tackled short of the line they cannot know a try "would almost certainly" have been scored. That is the crux of it. I agree, if they are offside more than once in sequence (as we were last night) and they didn't score, we might have conceded a PT, and almost certainly would have conceded a YC. I'm sometimes surprised they still don't issue a YC if the try is scored under penalty advantage.

 

[Tomikin]

I just hate the constant stopages for TMO its hard too watch wait... also pricks going down for cramp at every break on ya feet mate if you cant continue get off the fucking field..

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[Lorenzo]

I don't have a problem with the TMO putting their nose in to ID professional fouls (which is called cheating in other sports). The ref last night awarded the irish a scrum until the TMO IDd the Irish forward sticking his hand out. Would people really prefer that went unnoticed?

With tackles, they've become very cautious and it has shown. That's fine, but I do think that they could leave marginal hits until later on, i.e Kurtley Beale. Did the game need to be stopped for that? Surely when they review the tape they can judge those hits and decide whether the player should be suspended for a week, or be awarded some demerit points, or whatever. I think if a ball carrier gets hit and the ref didn't think it warranted a penalty, the TMO can let it go and come back to it later. Obviously off-the-ball stuff needs to be judged on its merits.

 

[jimmydubs]

We'll have Gauziere as the three of them have been appointed for the series 1 x test as ref and 2 x tests as AR. The lamentable Ben Skeen is the TMO again. (sighs heavily)

They need a system where the tmo gets red carded. Maybe get the fat bastard who used to always be a bulls games. Paint his guts red and when the tmo starts rogering interests level he gets shown the red and thereafter the game continues with no tmo. He then sits out a match or 400.

 

[lpd]

Watching a replay and looking at analysis of Furlong's impact, really think Tupou should start next week. When you have that athleticism coupled with their bodies, can really make a big impact on the game. The way to beat their line speed is to have guys like him going through the middle

 

[Joe Blow]

Watching a replay and looking at analysis of Furlong's impact, really think Tupou should start next week. When you have that athleticism coupled with their bodies, can really make a big impact on the game. The way to beat their line speed is to have guys like him going through the middle

What happened to the incredible line speed we had the previous week? It was another physical game but I got the feeling that our intensity had dropped considerably. We need a little new muscle in there this coming Saturday.

 

[Dan54]

I don't think it's just an Australian thing , it's same everywhere every team

I agree K974, as a kiwi I know we have plenty of so called fans that do the same, and we all know that noone gets every call right, but one of the main reasons I keep defending refs in here (or any board I go on) is because I still believe one of the main ethos of rugby is the ref is the sole judge of the laws of the game, and if we continue to harp on if he(or she)makes a mistake we not only sound like whingers, which we are, but also show that we don't understand the game as we should.
In saying that I agree with what Cyclo said when watching a game most of us will see (or think we see) something and will yell at tv etc, only trouble is when that transfers to watching a game with a young ref etc at local game and we forget to shut our mouths. Also think after a game is finished to harp on about it on an internet forum etc only makes the posters seem very poor sports(or sports supporters). I think coaches etc should also be aware of their role in this!
Lol anyway that my defence of refs one for this week!!

 

[Quick Hands]

I don't have a problem with the TMO putting their nose in to ID professional fouls (which is called cheating in other sports). The ref last night awarded the irish a scrum until the TMO IDd the Irish forward sticking his hand out. Would people really prefer that went unnoticed?
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Yes, yes and a thousand time YES, because stuff like that goes on in many rucks/tackles and goes unnoticed and the time taken up by the review is worse than missing the original infringement. Interesting that you've used the perjorative word "cheating" when it's in fact just an infringement - just like every other penalty/potential penalty in the game. Infringing laws during a game of sport isn't cheating if it's done on the spur of the moment in the heat of battle. Cheating in the context involves a premeditated and systemic plan to subvert the laws.

If we're going to try to review everything in search of perfection we're going to fail and in the process bore our remaining fans to death.

 

[Derpus]

I agree K974, as a kiwi I know we have plenty of so called fans that do the same, and we all know that noone gets every call right, but one of the main reasons I keep defending refs in here (or any board I go on) is because I still believe one of the main ethos of rugby is the ref is the sole judge of the laws of the game, and if we continue to harp on if he(or she)makes a mistake we not only sound like whingers, which we are, but also show that we don't understand the game as we should.
In saying that I agree with what Cyclo said when watching a game most of us will see (or think we see) something and will yell at tv etc, only trouble is when that transfers to watching a game with a young ref etc at local game and we forget to shut our mouths. Also think after a game is finished to harp on about it on an internet forum etc only makes the posters seem very poor sports(or sports supporters). I think coaches etc should also be aware of their role in this!
Lol anyway that my defence of refs one for this week!!

You are wrong though Dan, with all respect.

If you are a player on the field then the ref is god and the only person who can talk to him is your captain. But we are consumers of the sport. We can and should critically analyze a refs performance. Further, we should discuss the laws of the game and whether they are working in their current format.

Plus what the hell else are we going to do at work on a Monday morning but moan on an internet forum?

 

[Derpus]

I don't have a problem with the TMO putting their nose in to ID professional fouls (which is called cheating in other sports). The ref last night awarded the irish a scrum until the TMO IDd the Irish forward sticking his hand out. Would people really prefer that went unnoticed?
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Abso-fucking-lutely.

 

[Lorenzo]

Yes, yes and a thousand time YES, because stuff like that goes on in many rucks/tackles and goes unnoticed and the time taken up by the review is worse than missing the original infringement. Interesting that you've used the perjorative word "cheating" when it's in fact just an infringement - just like every other penalty/potential penalty in the game. Infringing laws during a game of sport isn't cheating if it's done on the spur of the moment in the heat of battle. Cheating in the context involves a premeditated and systemic plan to subvert the laws.

If we're going to try to review everything in search of perfection we're going to fail and in the process bore our remaining fans to death.

Bollocks, mate. Sticking your hand out to mess with the pill when you are flat on your back at the bottom of the ruck is not 'just like every other penalty in the game' (he got a card for it, you might note) and I already explained why. It's also cheating by any actual definition and not those that you have just made up.

 

[Brumby Runner]

I thought Hooper was our best forward last night

And I thought it was the most ineffective game I've ever seen him play FP. Eye of the beholder, of course. But no way I could agree that he was the our best forward. He is playing in the shadow of Pocock.

 

[barbarian]

If we're going to try to review everything in search of perfection we're going to fail and in the process bore our remaining fans to death.

Agree with this wholeheartedly.

We're searching for purity when it's impossible to achieve, and what we have now is a stop-start mess of a game.

In both a metaphorical and literal sense, the TMO needs to get back in his fucking box.

The time it takes to complete a game is ridiculous, and sucks the energy out of the occasion. I was watching the football on a second screen on Saturday night, and they showed how it's done - kick off at 8 on the dot (rugby was about 8:15), no fucking around, and even when they went upstairs it was relatively quick.

The number and frequency of stoppages is absurd in rugby. If not for unwarranted TMO involvements (each of which require 5+ replays and endless conversation), it's for injuries or subs.

Get. On. With. The. Fucking. Game.
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[Braveheart81]

One thing that has been very disappointing with the TMO across the board is how many replays they continue to watch once it is obvious what the decision is.

The one thing the NRL bunker has done very well this year is removed unnecessary replays. Once a replay confirms or contradicts the decision on the field they finish the review and make a decision.

Rugby seems to often have multiple replays even once it is clear what the result was.

 

[Dan54]

You are wrong though Dan, with all respect.

If you are a player on the field then the ref is god and the only person who can talk to him is your captain. But we are consumers of the sport. We can and should critically analyze a refs performance. Further, we should discuss the laws of the game and whether they are working in their current format.

Plus what the hell else are we going to do at work on a Monday morning but moan on an internet forum?

Ok fair enough Derpus, mate it just my rule, I just think for myself I will stick to the line I have always coached kids with, the ref is always right. I think it fair enough if people want to criticise the ref, just I think we tend to see it when a team loses and doesn't leave a very nice taste for me. We seldom see say an All Black supporter on a forum saying shit did you see the ref missed so many things we won the game, but I have certainly seen many say we would of won the game if such and such had seen this or that. And the same applies to Wallaby, English etc fans. I didn't come in G&G rugby after Jouberts call in WC 1/4 final against Scotland and read many saying how he had won the game for Aus. I went into Scottish one and they certainly were saying it! You get what I mean?

 

[Derpus]

Ok fair enough Derpus, mate it just my rule, I just think for myself I will stick to the line I have always coached kids with, the ref is always right. I think it fair enough if people want to criticise the ref, just I think we tend to see it when a team loses and doesn't leave a very nice taste for me. We seldom see say an All Black supporter on a forum saying shit did you see the ref missed so many things we won the game, but I have certainly seen many say we would of won the game if such and such had seen this or that. And the same applies to Wallaby, English etc fans. I didn't come in G&G rugby after Jouberts call in WC 1/4 final against Scotland and read many saying how he had won the game for Aus. I went into Scottish one and they certainly were saying it! You get what I mean?

Yeah i do. It's an easy route to go down as a fan because there are always going to be decisions in rugby that a ref will miss. It's easy to pick up on the ones that would have favoured your team and cry 'look it's not because we are shit it's becuase the ref didn't favour us.'

BUT I think the issue of excessive TMO intrusion is a bipartisan one. Certainly seems that the Irish and Australian fans agree that he was rubbish in the last match and it really detracted from the spectacle.

In general, i also think there is agreement across the board that there are way too many cards in the game at the moment. I mean, ruining a match because a player nearly intercepts a ball but fails? It's just overkill. Ruining a match because two players fairly competed for the ball in the air but one ended up on his head and so it's an absolute liability offense and red? It's stupid.

 

[Braveheart81]

By the same token, if the referee sees the Irish player interfere with the ball whilst Phipps is picking it up and the Wallabies are on attack then I think the yellow card is the correct decision.

I don't like the TMO intervening then though. It's taking it a bit too far in my view.

The previous two yellow cards in the game were fine.