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Adam84

Adam84

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
I see what you’re saying Ruggy, but i guess the difference between the NBA and RA is that RA derives a significant portion of their income from the national representative team which Folau was part of, and if you believe him a team which he would captain one day. So RA cant necessarily plead ignorance when he represents the RA brand. Whereas NBA represents a conglomerate of individual teams, and not a single national rep side. NBA is able to better distance itself.
 
Lindommer

Lindommer

Steve Williams (59)
Staff member
sidelineview said:
Australia was founded as a Christian society.
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New South Wales may've been in 1788. But, the Australian Constitution clearly sets modern Australia up as a tolerant, open, plural, modern and SECULAR society. Check section 116, it quite explicitly forbids the Commonwealth from passing ANY law to restrict ANY religion in ANY way. In other words, all religions are equal; Christians aren't special.

If the Pastafarians think Izzy's a fuckwit, he's a fuckwit.
 
Lindommer

Lindommer

Steve Williams (59)
Staff member
Juan Cote said:
This was an employment law matter which has been very successfully appropriated into a scrap about freedom of speech and even more bizarrely and assault on religious freedoms.
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We don't hear from him very often, but, when he speaks, all listen. The Cote has summed this fiasco up perfectly, there's nothing more to say.

Mods, please close this thread.
 
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sidelineview

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Lindommer said:
New South Wales may've been in 1788. But, the Australian Constitution clearly sets modern Australia up as a tolerant, open, plural, modern and SECULAR society. Check section 116, it quite explicitly forbids the Commonwealth from passing ANY law to restrict ANY religion in ANY way. In other words, all religions are equal; Christians aren't special.

If the Pastafarians think Izzy's a fuckwit, he's a fuckwit.
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Christianity was instrumental in shaping Australia's culture.
 
dillyboy

dillyboy

Nev Cottrell (35)
sidelineview said:
Yeah, good point but what about this one? those quotes are from the Old Testament by the way.

Corinthians 6: 9-10 (New Testament): “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God”.

Should the words ''homosexuals'' and ''sodomites'' be excluded from this passage if a player posted this on social media because SSM is now allowed in our society and it may offend?

Or should a Christian person's beliefs based on this Bible passage be tolerated?
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Now we're getting away from rugby and into theology but that's not really quoting the original text or message of the Bible but a recent (and corrupted) translation.

Corinthians was written pre 100AD and the term "homosexual" didn't really come into use until the 18th or 19th century so isn't really what the original message intended anyway....
 
Froggy

Froggy

John Solomon (38)
A couple of points and I'll leave this thread
1) none of us know what the payment was, it's all speculation
2) It didn't go to court, so there is no legal precedent set
3) Folau will never play rugby for Australia again
4) An out of court settlement was always going to be the best option for RA
5) To say a $14 million claim is not about money beggars belief
6) The people on both sides of this argument are never going to change their mind, so I am not going to take a position on that
7) This is not a religious issue, or a freedom of speech issue, it is an employment issue

over and out!
 
cyclopath

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
Staff member
sidelineview said:
The Bible is the book of faith relevant to this issue.
No, its not complex.
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Your ability to be obtuse when you don't want to answer a question is impressive.
Not complicated - if someone chooses another work of quasi-fiction as their manifesto, and quotes it causing offence to others, such as Christians, for example, would you be so blithe about it? I don't expect you to answer as I think you might lack the capacity to really consider the issue from your narrow paradigm of "It's in the Bible, so it's all cool". You're the one arguing that this is all about freedom of expression.
 
dru

dru

Tim Horan (67)
Braveheart81 said:
I think that's probably about enough with the freedom of speech, religious freedom bill etc. This has been debated to death in the Folau thread in the past and never ends well. No one has changed anyone's mind whatsoever.

Feel free (at least for now) to continue discussing the statement from RA, appearances by the various parties in the media and the rumoured payout figures and potential future career options for Folau.
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How much have we veered from this? Mods, if this is to be allowed to continue can we have a completely separate "IF and IF haters" thread?

Knock yourselves out guys - somewhere else.
 
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sidelineview

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dillyboy said:
Now we're getting away from rugby and into theology but that's not really quoting the original text or message of the Bible but a recent (and corrupted) translation.

Corinthians was written pre 100AD and the term "homosexual" didn't really come into use until the 18th or 19th century so isn't really what the original message intended anyway..
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In original Greek, it was something like male prostitutes, abuse of younger males ....... but that's what its become.
The point still remains, would it be forbidden for a Christian contracted rugby player to quote this or like passages from the Bible?
 
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