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Nev Cottrell (35)
Surely the way Kepu & Slipper are performing Alexander would have to be an outside chance of a start at this point? Although you never can tell with RD.
Reds vs Waratahs, 2011R10
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Surely the way Kepu & Slipper are performing Alexander would have to be an outside chance of a start at this point? Although you never can tell with RD.
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wow really? I know some of the Reds fans are been arrogant(just making up for 7 years of taunts from south of the border), but its a two way street.
Have a read back through and see how many tahs fans have tiptoed giving credit to the Reds rather voiced there opinion that they "NSW should have won that one", obviously not big on giving credit where credit is due.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
congrats to the reds on a hrd fought win. Was a pretty good game - some basic errors both ways but thats what happens when its tight and teams are pushing the limits and buggered. Coooper was the difference and the tahs had no one even close to him especially once Mitchell got injured.
Only ref decision that bugged me real time was the mitchell injury - Higgenbottom moved to get in his way in my view and it looked to be an unintended trip once he made the decision to do so. Thought it was a penalty atleast but the horrific nature of the injury took the focus away. Otherwise both teams had their chances the tahs just weren't good enough to capitalise.
For the tahs, the most disappointing part of the result was how little Beale got the ball. especially during the 20mins or so when we camped on the reds line. I was hoping that the tahs would pick one scrum to get quick ball out to him to see what he could do but it was not to be.
Thought Hansen was strong for the reds and his introduction along with TPN's sub brought the scrums close enough to parity that the tahs needed to go to plan B even though they were so close to a penalty try at that time.
Only ref decision that bugged me real time was the mitchell injury - Higgenbottom moved to get in his way in my view and it looked to be an unintended trip once he made the decision to do so. Thought it was a penalty atleast but the horrific nature of the injury took the focus away. Otherwise both teams had their chances the tahs just weren't good enough to capitalise.
For the tahs, the most disappointing part of the result was how little Beale got the ball. especially during the 20mins or so when we camped on the reds line. I was hoping that the tahs would pick one scrum to get quick ball out to him to see what he could do but it was not to be.
Thought Hansen was strong for the reds and his introduction along with TPN's sub brought the scrums close enough to parity that the tahs needed to go to plan B even though they were so close to a penalty try at that time.
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Trevor Allan (34)
Tim Bennetts looks like a men playing with boys in the Shute Shield but they haven't given him a go yet. Cameron Mitchell was classy in the early rounds as well but is now out for the season.
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Bob Davidson (42)
Just wasted a fair bit of time trawling through the post game comments. Unfortunately the occasional fair comment has been well hidden by a lot of one eyed bullshit (both sides of the fence).
I was at the game, and as ugly as it may have been to some, I was on the edge of my seat right to the end. The Tah's played to their strength in the second half, you can't blame them for that, although their lack of imagination and daring would have me frustrated if I was a supporter.
As for the Reds? Thank God they finally have self belief. This was one of a number of games this season that they would have lost in times gone past. It wasn't pretty but they did what they had to do to get the result. Amazing defensive effort in the second half.
Quade's kicking was shite and put the team under too much pressure, but his try and field goal demonstrated why he is so important. He's a genius.
As for Phil Waugh - he's given great service to the Tah's for a long time, but he's nowhere near the player he used to be, and the over reliance on him as " the leader" is, IMO, not healthy for the Tah's. And he is an ungracious bugger!
I was at the game, and as ugly as it may have been to some, I was on the edge of my seat right to the end. The Tah's played to their strength in the second half, you can't blame them for that, although their lack of imagination and daring would have me frustrated if I was a supporter.
As for the Reds? Thank God they finally have self belief. This was one of a number of games this season that they would have lost in times gone past. It wasn't pretty but they did what they had to do to get the result. Amazing defensive effort in the second half.
Quade's kicking was shite and put the team under too much pressure, but his try and field goal demonstrated why he is so important. He's a genius.
As for Phil Waugh - he's given great service to the Tah's for a long time, but he's nowhere near the player he used to be, and the over reliance on him as " the leader" is, IMO, not healthy for the Tah's. And he is an ungracious bugger!
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Trevor Allan (34)
This was the problem. Smith was put in a cauldron and was exposed. Of course he wasn't going to give a penalty try he was refereeing to forge this as his career and he wouldn't have wanted to be remembered for one moment...
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David Codey (61)
I was also on the edge of my seat, but still have a big issue with how much time the ball was actually in play in the second half. We do have to be aware of how the biggest state game of the year with the biggest crowd of the year is as a spectacle. As a spectacle that game won't help rugby grow in this country and that is an important element if any big game no matter what us long term rugby fans think.
There are two main issues with what happened:
1. Too much time between scrums. Too much time where nothing happened. This was due to subs on both sides and also the ref allowing the players to stuff around.
2. Phil waughs insistence on using a tactic over and over again that wasn't working. Either take the penalty, take a tap or kick for the lineout. It should be noted that the closest the tahs went to scoring was from a maul off a lineout.
There are two main issues with what happened:
1. Too much time between scrums. Too much time where nothing happened. This was due to subs on both sides and also the ref allowing the players to stuff around.
2. Phil waughs insistence on using a tactic over and over again that wasn't working. Either take the penalty, take a tap or kick for the lineout. It should be noted that the closest the tahs went to scoring was from a maul off a lineout.
Wind in the name calling fellas - Biggsy, you're top of the list.
I thought it was an engrossing contest which the Reds deserved to win in the end by about as many points as they did.
Turning point was obviously the Tahs not converting pressure to points. When TPN left the field It was time to take the points. A poor decision not to and Waughy does have form for that.
I was also disappointed with the number of options the Tahs didn't have from such a dominant scrum. It's like they'd never thought it through.
However, if you were shitted off with the number of scrums then blame the Reds - they should have fielded a pack that could hold one up. If you played a team that couldn't scrum against you would you ignore it?
I thought it was an engrossing contest which the Reds deserved to win in the end by about as many points as they did.
Turning point was obviously the Tahs not converting pressure to points. When TPN left the field It was time to take the points. A poor decision not to and Waughy does have form for that.
I was also disappointed with the number of options the Tahs didn't have from such a dominant scrum. It's like they'd never thought it through.
However, if you were shitted off with the number of scrums then blame the Reds - they should have fielded a pack that could hold one up. If you played a team that couldn't scrum against you would you ignore it?
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John Solomon (38)
A couple of observations:
I was uneasy about this one all week because the Reds went in as the team in form, top of the table and expected to win, but the waratahs have built an edge over them to the point that they are the Reds voodoo side. Link got them up, the forwards competed in a torrid battle all the way through.
A lot has been written about the scrum/s, some of it nonsensical, but it was no surprise that the reds struggled. In the second half TPN was out on his feet (then subbed) and Hanson thrown in and it became an armwrestle that would have been a good platform for scoring points (other than a penalty try that was no longer going to eventuate).
Should not the Tahs try and score points? I understand playing to your strengths, but like many of us I watched - completely absorbed by the contest - but aware the Reds were still in front, and the waratahs were not making an impression on the scoreboard.
Genia was in great touch but Cooper - that lack of composure will cost us if it reappears against the Poms, for example, on a big stage. I don't really understand why Harris doesn't get a bigger role with the boot - esp penalties and conversions - apart from an impression that Cooper's confidence needs him doing everything to stay or get on his game.
I was uneasy about this one all week because the Reds went in as the team in form, top of the table and expected to win, but the waratahs have built an edge over them to the point that they are the Reds voodoo side. Link got them up, the forwards competed in a torrid battle all the way through.
A lot has been written about the scrum/s, some of it nonsensical, but it was no surprise that the reds struggled. In the second half TPN was out on his feet (then subbed) and Hanson thrown in and it became an armwrestle that would have been a good platform for scoring points (other than a penalty try that was no longer going to eventuate).
Should not the Tahs try and score points? I understand playing to your strengths, but like many of us I watched - completely absorbed by the contest - but aware the Reds were still in front, and the waratahs were not making an impression on the scoreboard.
Genia was in great touch but Cooper - that lack of composure will cost us if it reappears against the Poms, for example, on a big stage. I don't really understand why Harris doesn't get a bigger role with the boot - esp penalties and conversions - apart from an impression that Cooper's confidence needs him doing everything to stay or get on his game.
Scarfman
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Scotty, spitzhaka, and everyone else who hates rugby - your stock has crashed.
The Tahs got a penalty try a couple of weeks ago. You get 7 instead of 3, and the oppo feels crushed. It was high drama, as well. Resetting on the 50m line isn't quite the same as a classic 5m struggle.
The ref could / should have given a penalty try, and also the Chariots ruling was beyond fucking atrocious, from the time he stood on the wrong side of the maul, looking in the wrong direction, to the time he decided that the Reds should have the put-in. What a goose, who cost the Tahs the game.
I didn't see the post-match interview, but I can believe that Waugh was ungracious. Mind you, if I could pick a captain to play rugby for it would be him.
Higgers deliberately stepped into Drew, but the injury was an accident. Maybe this will draw more attention to this dangerous and unsporting tactic. Too much of the soccer about it for me.
The Reds scored more points therefore they were the best team. Good luck to them, I hope they smash the Kiwis.
The Tahs got a penalty try a couple of weeks ago. You get 7 instead of 3, and the oppo feels crushed. It was high drama, as well. Resetting on the 50m line isn't quite the same as a classic 5m struggle.
The ref could / should have given a penalty try, and also the Chariots ruling was beyond fucking atrocious, from the time he stood on the wrong side of the maul, looking in the wrong direction, to the time he decided that the Reds should have the put-in. What a goose, who cost the Tahs the game.
I didn't see the post-match interview, but I can believe that Waugh was ungracious. Mind you, if I could pick a captain to play rugby for it would be him.
Higgers deliberately stepped into Drew, but the injury was an accident. Maybe this will draw more attention to this dangerous and unsporting tactic. Too much of the soccer about it for me.
The Reds scored more points therefore they were the best team. Good luck to them, I hope they smash the Kiwis.
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Alan Cameron (40)
Saw that too - looked like he took a knock on the scrum drop and then went off.
Agree that once he went we should have taken the penalty. Considering the circumstances, I understand why they didn't try to use the backline. Your starting 10 and 13 are out. Your main try scoring and attacking back has gone off, and you've had to reshuffle the backline. This was evident when they tried it and turner was easily bundled into touch. It had to be won in the forwards.
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Trevor Allan (34)
Quade's kicking has been a hot spot after this match because he nearly cost the reds the match.
Last week against the Bulls after a missed kick by Steyn I think, Quade went for the torpedo scuffed it and put the ball straight down Bassons throat. Luckily he dropped it. It looks like he spent the week practising it so he could launch it from his fullback position.
This week Quade had a fascination for the torp and he kept fucking it up. Anyone that has ever played 10,12,15 knows that when you are under the cosh you never whip out the torp. Low percentage play that when sliced travels about 5 metres up the touchline. He kicks the ball a fair distance on the drop punt so im not sure why he tried the spiral.
Having been fascinated by the torpedo since I was a kid I always watch the pros when they try and attempt it. A large number of their attempts are fuck ups Shepherd, Byrne, Kearney, Mike catt hardly ever catch it right. The only people that could consistently kick it were Conrad Jantjies and Latham.
Last week against the Bulls after a missed kick by Steyn I think, Quade went for the torpedo scuffed it and put the ball straight down Bassons throat. Luckily he dropped it. It looks like he spent the week practising it so he could launch it from his fullback position.
This week Quade had a fascination for the torp and he kept fucking it up. Anyone that has ever played 10,12,15 knows that when you are under the cosh you never whip out the torp. Low percentage play that when sliced travels about 5 metres up the touchline. He kicks the ball a fair distance on the drop punt so im not sure why he tried the spiral.
Having been fascinated by the torpedo since I was a kid I always watch the pros when they try and attempt it. A large number of their attempts are fuck ups Shepherd, Byrne, Kearney, Mike catt hardly ever catch it right. The only people that could consistently kick it were Conrad Jantjies and Latham.
Then the following question surely should have been "So, you're saying your attack was bog ordinary as it only took average defending to stop it?" Interviewer missed a freebie there!
Except the maths is wrong - would be $233,333.33. So it can't be post of the year with maths of the 4th grade!
I didn't realise too many were. They were arguing against dubious posts suggesting the Tahs scrum was doing all the collapsing, and all the fucking around was their fault with respect to resets, when the Reds scrum was involved too, and struggling.
Plenty of us have decried Phil's tactics.
Oh, and there was a little more to the game than Cooper's poor kicking, I thought.
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Old adage about forwards deciding who will win didn't hold tonight. Frustrating as a tahs supporter but Reds were a bit more composed and Cooper's try was the difference. Funny how often restart mistakes result in immediate opposition scores. If more than a few Reds forwards make the cup squad it will be due to paucity of options. Higgers deserves to miss out due to combination of average form and karma.
The Reds have alot going for them in terms of injuries and the draw (home games versus Bulls, Crusaders, Blues and skipping Highlanders). I think the they might be a shot against the Blues since they're at home but Crusaders (full strength, not B team from last night) might be a bridge too far even with home advantage. The Ref didn't offer the Waratahs alot of advantage for their forward dominance but they're never shy rewarding the Crusaders.
The Reds have alot going for them in terms of injuries and the draw (home games versus Bulls, Crusaders, Blues and skipping Highlanders). I think the they might be a shot against the Blues since they're at home but Crusaders (full strength, not B team from last night) might be a bridge too far even with home advantage. The Ref didn't offer the Waratahs alot of advantage for their forward dominance but they're never shy rewarding the Crusaders.
What a load of dribble.
I rightly got called for generalising about Reds fans. You have been too. Try and make some sort of sensible point. Which Tah fans have made anywhere close to such a statement here?
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