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Quade telling it how it is

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Lee Enfield

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Jimmy Flynn (14)
The only way he can earn more than what is on the table for him right now is by going to Japan or Europe to play Rugby. Any switch to League would see him taking a pay cut and most likely a fairly substantial one. I am yet to see where he has mentioned Japan or Europe as an alternative to the Reds/ARU, and statements about wanting to play alonside SBW are most likely in regards to League. If it was about the money, he wouldn't be using League as his smoking gun, as the smoke would be coming from a cap gun.

All I can say is, I am a competitive person and if my team mates and coach simply passed off losses as acceptable because the opposition is so good and way above our level, I to would get the shits.

At any stage this year or in previous years, have we heard Deans or the Wallabies coaching staff and hierarchy articulate any plan to reverse our continuing losses to the All Blacks and our continuing poor execution and poor basic skills.

All we get is the same old tired excuses being trotted out, the same old piss poor play and shock losses. As things stand, there is no light at the end of the tunnel. The players are taking all the blame whilst those responsible continue on their merry way, with no plan to implement the changes necessary to the organisation and staff to reach the super awesome, out of this world level of the All Blacks.

I wouldn't have gone about things the way he has, but then again, we don't know what he has said behind closed doors, for all we know, he could have raised his problems with the chain of command and it all fell on deaf ears.
 
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Inside Shoulder said:
i didnt know that - did JON take a pay cut?



But if you treat players like that then all they'll ever do is sign 1 year contracts and then carry on like good sorts every year when renewal is due.
While there is room for the view that this is a business its not much like any other business: most companies don't have to worry about the roller coaster nature of long term injuries. There needs to be a little more love between the ARU and the players - they're not just cattle.
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To a degree I agree but it is a business. How long did the ARU continue to pay Elton Flatley - about 3 years - must of cost a squillion - hopefully they have some king of blanket insurance policy otherwise a huge drain on the coffers
 
Mr Doug

Mr Doug

Dick Tooth (41)
boyo said:
I've had enough. The attitude of some of the people on this forum shits me.
This is not a Qld v NSW thing, it is a Wallaby thing: the performances, the players, the coaching staff, etc.
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C'mon boyo, this is rugby fans having their say. Many of them disagree with what I say, and vice versa, but, hey, I wouldn't have it any other way!
It's passion, and it's freedom of speech! Gotta love it!!!
 
ACT Crusader

ACT Crusader

Jim Lenehan (48)
Lee Enfield said:
The only way he can earn more than what is on the table for him right now is by going to Japan or Europe to play Rugby. Any switch to League would see him taking a pay cut and most likely a fairly substantial one. I am yet to see where he has mentioned Japan or Europe as an alternative to the Reds/ARU, and statements about wanting to play alonside SBW are most likely in regards to League. If it was about the money, he wouldn't be using League as his smoking gun, as the smoke would be coming from a cap gun.

All I can say is, I am a competitive person and if my team mates and coach simply passed off losses as acceptable because the opposition is so good and way above our level, I to would get the shits.

At any stage this year or in previous years, have we heard Deans or the Wallabies coaching staff and hierarchy articulate any plan to reverse our continuing losses to the All Blacks and our continuing poor execution and poor basic skills.

All we get is the same old tired excuses being trotted out, the same old piss poor play and shock losses. As things stand, there is no light at the end of the tunnel. The players are taking all the blame whilst those responsible continue on their merry way, with no plan to implement the changes necessary to the organisation and staff to reach the super awesome, out of this world level of the All Blacks.

I wouldn't have gone about things the way he has, but then again, we don't know what he has said behind closed doors, for all we know, he could have raised his problems with the chain of command and it all fell on deaf ears.
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"For all we know" he may not have raised it at up the chain of command and chose the public arena to air his concerns.....

I'm struggling with this notion that Deans and other players have "accepted" the losses. The comments about the ABs play were just one of a number of comments made after the Bledisloe. Then continued on and on by Dorothy Dixer questions between the Fox Sports crew. Deans and others also talked about not being clinical enough, poorly executed kicks, handling errors, and playing in the wrong half and the list goes on.

I can't see how those comments are any different to what Eddie Jones said post 2003 Bledisloe or Knuckles after the 2006 3Ns. Were they accepting of losses also?
 
Ash

Ash

Michael Lynagh (62)
Braveheart81 said:
This is what happens in life. If you turn yourself into a martyr and publically criticise the organisation that you are part of, you end up being shunned by that organisation.

If this was in relation to another place of employment, he'd have probably been fired by now.

People react very poorly when someone who barely has a leg to stand on comes out and publically criticises something they are part of.

I am not really trying to provide an opinion as to whether or not this should be happening to Cooper. In my experience though, when someone goes off the reservation like this, it does not end well for them.
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Look, first, what QC (Quade Cooper) did was wrong. Someone at the Reds needs to come in and manage him, if it already hasn't happened.

I am not defending QC (Quade Cooper) here. Just relating a story below. I don't know your employment history and experience, but your beliefs certainly differ from mine, particularly about going off the reservation.

It isn't always true about not publicly criticising your organisation. Have you worked in a toxic environment? I have. A once successful company quickly driven down by an incompetent MD. Company changing to a direction that clearly was not supprted by the business model. Managers playing political games, people in roles they couldn't do. Peter Principle in full swing, among other mistakes.

At the end of my tenure I was openly defending my team by basically walking into manager's offices and abusing them in a lot worse ways than QC (Quade Cooper) did. I also told them in no uncertain terms what I (and most of the staff) thought some of their glaring errors were. What Quade said was mild compared to some of the stuff I have seen gone on.

When people feel frustrated they need the right avenue and right people to vent to. Quade chose a wrong one and someone should reign him in. But the venting needs to happen, people need to listen then provide feedback and see if the ran was truly justified. This is where the Reds should now be stepping up, ARU too maybe. Personally I am waiting to see what comes from the Rugby Club interview. Some contrition and explaining why he did it is all that is needed.

BTW having a rant at your manager about a toxic environment and being critical of your organisation isn't a sackable offense in Australia.

Back to Quade, most posters here clearly have a strong opinion either way, and it is easy to pick the ones who clearly dislike him and the ones who are a fan.
 
Blue

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Ash it sounds like your team and you handled the issue in-house and behind closed doors?

Or did they tweet?

What Quade sdais is mild in comparison what goes on behind closed doors every day.

Not sure I get your point. If you mean it's okay to feel aggrieved at take on management then I get it.

People can really turn vicious when they feel aggrieved in the workplace. I know I have been but I hope I didn't act like a muppet.
 
Ash

Ash

Michael Lynagh (62)
Blue I confronted managers behind closed doors, apart from a few unfortunate disagreements in meetings.

It is bad form to rant in an open plan office.

But, employees in social situations would rant to all and sundry.

Even worse, and similar to Quade, some managers were even on Facebook, yes Facebook, replying to comments from people who had to left that insinuated how bad the company they were at was. (Must be great to now work at a company that...)

I guess I am saying it is easy to understand when people are in that situation and I have seen it done in a public manner, but someone needs to tell Quade to pull his head in.

I have been on the war path before against some management ready to storm into offices all guns blazing. Best advice I got was to wait a day, write it down, discuss it with someone, then go in. You are a lot calmer, less emotional, etc.

I guess I just wanted to mention it, as if you perceive yourself to be in a toxic situation at work, it is just a really unfortunate place to be and it takes a lot to get past it. I am a little ashamed to say that I struggled to.
 
Blue

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Quade on Fox sports now.

Here you go:

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Blue

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Good lord this is not the way to go about things.Who in heaven's name is advising this young bloke?
 
p.Tah

p.Tah

John Thornett (49)
The most interesting point in that interview was that 'they' tried to get SBW to the Reds.
 
Ash

Ash

Michael Lynagh (62)
Sounds like a bit of the grass is greener due to hearing stories from the All Black camp.

There is no doubt something to what Cooper is saying and I can sympathise with the guy, but it's impossible to know just how much is really there, and he has sorta Edit: not sorta, completely gone about it the wrong way. But he's playing it out, he has the commitment to do that.
 
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