NSW U16 - schools, NSWJRU / SJRU / CRJU 2013

[Slugga]

It doesn't get any better as you move up the age groups. You should view the farce with the Under 17's to get a guide as to the politics, incompetence and nepotism from the Juniors.
There is a doozy of an email from Randwick doing the rounds, with the most "interesting" response from the SJRU official.

No doubt.

As I told my son, when you leave school what you'll find is many of the 'name players' will slip by the wayside and guys who are less heralded now will rise to the top.

Much of the politics in junior sport is driven by anally fixated would be if they could be's who could never cut it themselves in the game.

 

[Slugga]

Slugga Dont flatter yourself.
The hypocrisy was immediately obvious.

Flattery. Hypocrisy. How so?

Then again don't bother. Just go away you angry, frustrated little man.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Flattery. Hypocrisy. How so?

Then again don't bother. Just go away you angry, frustrated little man.

I think I overestimated your insight: I apologise

 

[Gooner]

That was not the case in the 15's, Grand finalists were Gordon and Eastwood. In the zone West beat southern and Barbarians, north beat west and barbarians, barbarians beat southern only - that is they came a clear second last as you would expect.

Which ever way you twist it its hard to explain how the winning side can have only 4 selected from 23 but I'm all ears.

Slugga - don't you realise little Johny from the fancy school has to get in the team. It's the natural order. We can't have to many Westies in the team - that wouldn't be right.

 

[Slugga]

I think I overestimated your insight: I apologise

Apology accepted. You may go now.

 

[juniors spectator]

It doesn't get any better as you move up the age groups. You should view the farce with the Under 17's to get a guide as to the politics, incompetence and nepotism from the Juniors.
There is a doozy of an email from Randwick doing the rounds, with the most "interesting" response from the SJRU official.

I don't think incompetence is restricted to Juniors..I seem to remember similar complaints with both Schools 16s and Opens over the years. And even for the Aus 20s not so long ago where selection of certain players was done to justify their original selection in NTS and Gold squads!

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I don't think incompetence is restricted to Juniors..I seem to remember similar complaints with both Schools 16s and Opens over the years. And even for the Aus 20s not so long ago where selection of certain players was done to justify their original selection in NTS and Gold squads!

Hell its going on in the Wobblies if you listen to certain fans: coach doesn't like someone so he's not even the 4th best 10 in the country.
I do think the kids know certainly by 15s that its not necessarily fair, though.

 

[Slugga]

Slugga - don't you realise little Johny from the fancy school has to get in the team. It's the natural order. We can't have to many Westies in the team - that wouldn't be right.

Gooner I have to admit I'm a product of one of those fancy schools and well aware of how it works.

 

[Gooner]

Gooner I have to admit I'm a product of one of those fancy schools and well aware of how it works.

The West team in he under 16's was also very dominant. Lets hope they get a better representation than the 15's did. It is time to tap into theses kids from the biggest talent pool in the country.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Unfortunately for many of the Rugby Administrati elite, development of rugby in Sydney's west appears to be based around raising the new Balmain Juniors club from scratch and establishing the Inner West Minis Competition in conjunction with the West Harbour Club.

That is the big pool of potential players in Western Sydney that are being tapped into - isn't it?

 

[Slugga]

The West team in he under 16's was also very dominant. Lets hope they get a better representation than the 15's did. It is time to tap into theses kids from the biggest talent pool in the country.

Yes, they did go well. That's why I have a problem with rugby mum's argument that in the 16's the two 'best teams' were split. You can only beat what is in front of you. Perhaps they should join MNZ and Barbarians and if they loose none of them should make the cut.

 

[Ruck & Maul 101]

Yes, they did go well. That's why I have a problem with rugby mum's argument that in the 16's the two 'best teams' were split. You can only beat what is in front of you. Perhaps they should join MNZ and Barbarians and if they loose none of them should make the cut.

 

[Rugby Mum 2]

If you knew anything about the 16s age group, you would be in a better position to comment.

In the 16s, the MWZ and MSZ were true rep teams, the MNZ/Barbarians were effectively half/3/4 strength so I don't see how that is fair to the MNZ boys who won it last year (no Barbarians in 2012) just so there is a softer team for MWZ to feel good about themselves? The MWZ team would not have won any games if it was split into two teams. It did however play good footy but against weakened opposition.

All teams have a swag of really good players and depending on positions played, it should be those boys who are selected.

Then of course you throw in NSW Schools to the mix which doubles the politics and horse trading and also applies to a lot of boys who played in last weeks School trials.

 

[Ruck & Maul 101]

Yes, they did go well. That's why I have a problem with rugby mum's argument that in the 16's the two 'best teams' were split. You can only beat what is in front of you. Perhaps they should join MNZ and Barbarians and if they loose none of them should make the cut.

I can't work out why they didn't put together a full strength mnz team. If they had the outcome would of been very different.

 

[Mutley]

The selection process for the 16's did not split any team. Each zone selected its first 15 and then the Barbarians selected their team. Player no's 16 to 23 are then selected. Each zone therefore had their top 15 available. No one was split in two.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

When there was a SJRU competition structure based around three zones, Northern, Western and Southern, and these were pretty much doing thier own thing, a inter zone competition perhaps had some relevance.

IIRC the Metropolitian Zone Administrative Structure was discontinued about 5 years ago, with a general movement of most teams to a Sunday competition, with some areas continuing to play Friday Nights and Saturdays. The migration to the Sunday competition has continued, and the numbers playing Friday nights and Saturdays has dwindled to the niche level.

There are imbalances between player numbers in the various Zones, so it is almost predestined that the Northern Zone with player numbers of a magnitude approaching gun crime in the USA compared to those in the South or West which represent gun crime in Tahiti and Kiribati.

If they were serious about competitive trials, they really need to look at the trial team compositions and move away from the artificial construct of the Zones.

 

[Ruck & Maul 101]

The selection process for the 16's did not split any team. Each zone selected its first 15 and then the Barbarians selected their team. Player no's 16 to 23 are then selected. Each zone therefore had their top 15 available. No one was split in two.

Your wrong

 

[Rugby Mum 2]

If you go thorough the Barbarians listings:
Strang - Warringah/Pres A
Hancock - Gordon, Pres A (MNZ 2012)
McRae - Warringah, ISA 1 (MNZ 2012)
Tutunoa - Warringah - CHS 1 (MNZ 2012)
Stubbs - Warringah, CAS 1 (injured 2012)
Clifford - Gordon, Pres A (injured)
Psaltsis - Gordon
Milham - Warringah, (MNZ 2012?)

These boys should have been in a full strength MNZ team and it would have been smoking. MNZ also lost No 12 Hawkins and no 6/8 Girdler (one game only). Both would have made a difference. If a full strength team played it would have put pressure on selections across the field within the team as to who would be on the run on team.

Then there would be a true match up in both forwards and backs when playing MWZ.

 

[Rugby Mum 2]

The selection process for the 16's did not split any team. Each zone selected its first 15 and then the Barbarians selected their team. Player no's 16 to 23 are then selected. Each zone therefore had their top 15 available. No one was split in two.

See my post above. While you might be right re the process, the facts speak for themselves in relation to the players listed, all who are very strong positionally. Why anyone in their right mind would split the Warringah/ISA front row is beyond me and the 9/10 combo for Warringah? Blind Freddy should have done the selection, couldn't have got it much worse.

MWZ benefitted from strong players and (probably) unbroken combinations and weaker than usual opposition at regionals.

 

[Slugga]

If you knew anything about the 16s age group, you would be in a better position to comment.

In the 16s, the MWZ and MSZ were true rep teams, the MNZ/Barbarians were effectively half/3/4 strength so I don't see how that is fair to the MNZ boys who won it last year (no Barbarians in 2012) just so there is a softer team for MWZ to feel good about themselves? The MWZ team would not have won any games if it was split into two teams. It did however play good footy but against weakened opposition.

All teams have a swag of really good players and depending on positions played, it should be those boys who are selected.

Then of course you throw in NSW Schools to the mix which doubles the politics and horse trading and also applies to a lot of boys who played in last weeks School trials.

How crass of me to presume I have as much knowledge as you on all that is u16 rugby, thanks for setting me straight.
As I said you can only beat what's in front of you. The problem with your position is its heads I win tails you loose. It doesn't matter what the MWZ team does you can fall back on the argument that they didn't play 'real' rep teams ergo they have no claims to representation - I mean why bother having trials at all.
Finally I'm sure the MWZ boys feel fine about themselves and their success and would treat your snide commentary with the disdain it deserves.