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Jim Lenehan (48)
I can't see McKenzie playing 2nd fiddle again at the Wallabies. That would almost be a step backwards for him when all and sundry believe his stock is rising.
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I can't see McKenzie playing 2nd fiddle again at the Wallabies. That would almost be a step backwards for him when all and sundry believe his stock is rising.
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Steve Williams (59)
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George Gregan (70)
Indeed. Macqueen was never a Wallaby. Good players aren't necessarily good coaches.
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Steve Williams (59)
Yup. First and foremost. you have to be good at your primary job. But it doesn't hurt for a coach to have that playing experience. It can be an advantage.
It may be sacrilege on here but I say that Macqueen was more of a good manager than a good coach. He did a very successful job but not everything he did was gold.
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Bob Loudon (25)
Interesting article and reminds us: We'll be facing this Lions team pretty much in our pool at RWC15, and its a matter of getting our scrum woes in order quickly enough. Maybe JW is the man to get the troops up to speed with speed.
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John Eales (66)
Not sacrilege at all. He was the first of the truly professional coaches in rugby, along with Lord Bald. Both men assembled great teams around them and directed things rather like a CEO would. That's a skill in itself and one that Macqueen was very, very good at. His record is right up there with the best of any coach in history at test level (even in comparison to many great All Black coaches, who on average have about an 80-85% success rate IIRC), so I reckon it's an example worth following.
It's worth pointing out though that our three greatest Wallaby coaches never played test footy and I think I'm right in saying never played rep footy either (Macqueen, Dwyer, Jones A.).
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Ken Catchpole (46)
If link goes to the rebels, he will have a very short time to get results if he wants the wallaby job off White.
That will probably be just two years.
The best way for him to achieve that is with players he knows and can work with.
He has a very obvious strong rapport with most of the reds players.
He will need to take a number of the reds very high profile players with him.
If he only took 3 of the key players (given who we have already lost in the last two seasons), we would be a very different teams and probably about as good as we were before he came to QLD.
The waratahs would probably lose a couple of players to the rebels as well, but they will either be young guys not earmarked for the Tahs or older Tahs with maybe one or two seasons left.
He doesn't have the players in Victoria to use like he did with Queensland (hell, he didn't even have them in Queensland and recruited extensively out of ACT, NSW and NZ.
Jake white to the wallabies before he is finished his work with the Brumbies and Link to the Reds leaving another smoking husk qld franchise is not going to help australian rugby.
Rebels don't need link. The wallabies do.
A lot of them were school masters, Henry, Hanson White.
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My young bloke and I had a considerable distance to travel home by train, we stayed to the end and graciously congratulated every BIL supporter we came across. Those supporters were anything but gloating on the trains we caught, to a person they told us what a great time they'd had in Australia.
Oh, and it was a train, spikhaza, not a chariot. What were you watching on Saturday night, Ben-Hur?
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
A couple of tantalising quotes from the Oz that would make the prospect of Jake White more appealing.........
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...ite-in-the-wings/story-e6frg7o6-1226675649532
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...onnors-only-hope/story-e6frg7o6-1226675638202
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...ite-in-the-wings/story-e6frg7o6-1226675649532
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...onnors-only-hope/story-e6frg7o6-1226675638202
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
News are split on this one.......
Over at the Australian Wayne Smith and Bret Harris have inside word that Jake White is the frontrunner to take over early as this week, with this interesting nugget from Smith:
Jim Tucker and Iain Payten at the Courier Mail and the Tele respectively have inside word that Link is the favourite, and that being an Australian has pushed him ahead of White.........
This is going to be a fun week........
Over at the Australian Wayne Smith and Bret Harris have inside word that Jake White is the frontrunner to take over early as this week, with this interesting nugget from Smith:
Jim Tucker and Iain Payten at the Courier Mail and the Tele respectively have inside word that Link is the favourite, and that being an Australian has pushed him ahead of White.........
This is going to be a fun week........
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Stan Wickham (3)
Slim, different hacks are coming up with favourites for the job. I know that the tail wags the dog at the Reds which is why QC (Quade Cooper) has been out of control and that he isn't good disciplining players one on one so the ARU will know this too, now JOC (James O'Connor) and KB (Kurtley Beale) dicking around again will only help Jake as well.
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Steve Williams (59)
I agree with that but there's always a bigger story than the hagiography. Yes, the detested Lord Bald earns some credit for a RWC, but he also ended his career in disaster. The success didn't all emanate from him. A lot of it came down to him being in the right place at the right time.
Macqueen's methods earn plenty of credit. He had good timing but his success trumps that. Some of us say that Eddie Jones lost the remnants of our scrum culture we had (and he'll need to cop that) but those changes were happening under Macqueen's reign. His record would've been impacted if he'd stayed on.
Managers aren't enough on their own. The right people and the right skills are more important. Both Link and Jake bring organisational and coaching skills. I'm one amongst many but, for me, Link is the better option.
Oh, as a Tahs fan you just 'know' that, do you? Because Quade has just been all over the news lately, huh? Yeesh.
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Steve Williams (59)
He's got a, ..... ah, ..... "radio" on the inside within the coaching staff.
A close family member who spills the beans on his employers, Edward Snowden-style.
Allows us to hear the TRUTH on this forum.
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Peter Burge (5)
M.Hawker,who has placed his old school buddy in the CEO role would only have Mckenzie as coach over his dead body.Other board members with a Rugby brain see it differently. Will be a fun week.
Really don't want to become a saffa ball team ,would rather stick with Robbie.No, perhaps start watching the mungos..
Really don't want to become a saffa ball team ,would rather stick with Robbie.No, perhaps start watching the mungos..
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Peter Burge (5)
Spot on because word from the Brumbies is he is a manager in the style of SCW and Bernie and Laurie run the show.But perhaps, contradicting my previous drunken post,that is what is needed.
Direction in any form would be an improvement.
KOB1987
Rod McCall (65)
throw A Jones in with that mob too
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