School sporting scholarships/recruitment

[Quick Hands]

Just look at the Warringah Under 16s team list for a start. Surprising number also play at Scots. Girdler (since yr 7); strang, england, hawkins (NSW country Under 15s 2012), Porter (opens and played 15s last year and not 16s). Then there is McCauley (NSW Under 15s last yr) playing seconds from Coogee?; Jack Maddox, then there are a couple of others whose names I can't recall.

I am sure the Scots parents could tell you more...it is sad for Newington Under 16s as there aren't too many stars left - they might have to start poaching from Auggies.

Both Girdler's older brothers went to Augustines. And it's also well known that Scots targeted the Lough brothers to start this year, but both decided to stay at Augustines

 

[Quick Hands]

You have totally missed the point. GPS rugby is stronger in the public eye due to imports..I mean (and i know this will open a can of worms) with out imports/scholarships we never would of seen on K Beale play for Joeys.

IMO, GPS needs to grow with the times, Union is now a professional sport and can be a career for some. Why not try and give the boys the best opportunity to go down this career path? Much like the academic scholarships that are given to boys to attend GPS schools so they can follow a career in their chosen field?

Really? Hasn't GPS rugby been "strong in the public eye" long before the imports started?

Are you seriously suggesting that playing at a GPS school is the only way to make it in professional rugby? This has never been the case. Talented players from all schools have consistently made it. Go back a couple of pages and look at the NSW schools sides from 2006. Equally divided between state and private schools and then have a look at 2013 - about 4 state school students. Sadly now these players are scooped up around Year 9, thus weakening schools and clubs of origin and giving the appearance that GPS schools produce all the best players.

Union may indeed be a professional game, but we are talking about school children who are meant to be doing more a school that playing rugby. i.e. academic, other sports, social development, music, drama etc, etc, etc. What might be called a balanced, all-round, liberal education, in which sport is but one element. Since when did the school system become the producers of cannon fodder for professional sport??

 

[I like to watch]

You do realize that there is almost 15 times the population in the US to Australia? Having lived there for a while I am very aware of how the college systems works, but thank you for the informed lesson.

You have totally missed the point. GPS rugby is stronger in the public eye due to imports..I mean (and i know this will open a can of worms) with out imports/scholarships we never would of seen on K Beale play for Joeys.

IMO, GPS needs to grow with the times, Union is now a professional sport and can be a career for some. Why not try and give the boys the best opportunity to go down this career path? Much like the academic scholarships that are given to boys to attend GPS schools so they can follow a career in their chosen field?

Well then I would expect that you would understood the difference between School kids, and adults who have left School.
Do you understand there are strict rules as to what value/number of Scholarships in the US college system.As opposed to the strict agreement between these Schools that there will be ZERO Scholarships offered.
See the differences?
THe GPS actually has a lower profile than it did 10 or 20 years ago.I can recall some Schoolboy games that were televised.None of that happens now.
These are Schools,not clubs.Every GPS 1sts side already trains more than most SS 1st grade sides.Which I think is disgraceful.
If anything these GPS Schools need to scale things back,rather than ramp things up.

 

[Balmain Subbies]

Really? Hasn't GPS rugby been "strong in the public eye" long before the imports started?

Are you seriously suggesting that playing at a GPS school is the only way to make it in professional rugby? This has never been the case. Talented players from all schools have consistently made it. Go back a couple of pages and look at the NSW schools sides from 2006. Equally divided between state and private schools and then have a look at 2013 - about 4 state school students. Sadly now these players are scooped up around Year 9, thus weakening schools and clubs of origin and giving the appearance that GPS schools produce all the best players.

Union may indeed be a professional game, but we are talking about school children who are meant to be doing more a school that playing rugby. i.e. academic, other sports, social development, music, drama etc, etc, etc. What might be called a balanced, all-round, liberal education, in which sport is but one element. Since when did the school system become the producers of cannon fodder for professional sport??

I never said playing GPS is the only way to make it....what a stupid thing to twist my words like that. Clearly you need to take a step back.
Let me spell out my point for you so you don't get upset.

I believe we should use GPS, CAS (Same goes for Qld and ACT) as a tool for boys who want to progress their rugby careers.

 

[Balmain Subbies]

I am out of this convo, it is boring me now and it's like talking to fourth grades. Enjoy the time machine boys.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I am out of this convo, it is boring me now and it's like talking to fourth grades. Enjoy the time machine boys.

We'll miss you.

I believe we should use GPS, CAS (Same goes for Qld and ACT) as a tool for boys who want to progress their rugby career

Do you propose that as part of the Building the Education Revolution or implementing the Gonski Plan?
Guess we'll never know.

 

[Quick Hands]

I never said playing GPS is the only way to make it..what a stupid thing to twist my words like that. Clearly you need to take a step back.
Let me spell out my point for you so you don't get upset.

I believe we should use GPS, CAS (Same goes for Qld and ACT) as a tool for boys who want to progress their rugby careers.

I get your point, I just don't agree with it.

 

[John Brown]

TSC 16A's has approximately 65% plus of the team on scholarship.... sorry I stand corrected as there are no scholarships at TSC, they call them bursaries full and part.

I have seen both 16A's matches for TSC and Joey's this year and TSC are just a standout team head and shoulders above all competition, bigger, stronger, faster and skilled. They have it all from the forward pack right through to the backline..... the best that bursaries can buy.

If you get a chance, worth getting there early to watch this team.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

TSC 16A's has approximately 65% plus of the team on scholarship.. sorry I stand corrected as there are no scholarships at TSC, they call them bursaries full and part.

I have seen both 16A's matches for TSC and Joey's this year and TSC are just a standout team head and shoulders above all competition, bigger, stronger, faster and skilled. They have it all from the forward pack right through to the backline... the best that bursaries can buy.

If you get a chance, worth getting there early to watch this team.

I dont doubt the bursary boost @ TSC but I would like to express my doubt in relation to some of the names that were being thrown around last week.

 

[The Spectator]

TSC 16A's has approximately 65% plus of the team on scholarship.. sorry I stand corrected as there are no scholarships at TSC, they call them bursaries full and part.

I have seen both 16A's matches for TSC and Joey's this year and TSC are just a standout team head and shoulders above all competition, bigger, stronger, faster and skilled. They have it all from the forward pack right through to the backline... the best that bursaries can buy.

If you get a chance, worth getting there early to watch this team.

I will there be in two weeks time and personally hope that the Joeys boys thump the new Dream Team. The Newington/Joeys game finally saw Joeys find some form this year in both backs and forwards even with two players out. Agree that the team performance to date has been ordinary.

 

[The Spectator]

I will there be in two weeks time and personally hope that the Joeys boys thump the new Dream Team. The Newington/Joeys game finally saw Joeys find some form this year in both backs and forwards even with two players out. Agree that the team performance to date has been ordinary.

Whoops, typo, I will be there!!

 

[Hugh Jarse]

If the TSC U16 Dream team is so good, why were the ISA "battlers" able to get so close to the Presidents A XV Selection at the recent Schools trials?

I am assuming that all the so called superstars from TSC were available for selection into the Presidents XV as well as the best of the rest.

Maybe this isn't the best team that money can buy. You want to be careful about what is chatted about on the sidelines and boasted about on facebook about who may or may not be on scholarship.

Contrary to popular belief, not all good rugby players are on a subsidised or reduced school fee regime. Some rather ordinary rugby players are on reduced fees around the various establishments. Some of these are genuine musical and leadership bursaries, and some are on rather aptly names Percussion Scholarships.

 

[The Spectator]

If the TSC U16 Dream team is so good, why were the ISA "battlers" able to get so close to the Presidents A XV Selection at the recent Schools trials?

I am assuming that all the so called superstars from TSC were available for selection into the Presidents XV as well as the best of the rest.

Maybe this isn't the best team that money can buy. You want to be careful about what is chatted about on the sidelines and boasted about on facebook about who may or may not be on scholarship.

Contrary to popular belief, not all good rugby players are on a subsidised or reduced school fee regime. Some rather ordinary rugby players are on reduced fees around the various establishments. Some of these are genuine musical and leadership bursaries, and some are on rather aptly names Percussion Scholarships.

Pres A v ISA was played in poor conditions and the team of stars didn't gel as a team. 1 training session (or two). Combinations were not there. The Dream Team was split across the two teams. Ditto for Joeys. And the most important point, it was all about selection, so no real sense of team. Both Joeys and Scots (and Kings) have more cohesive combinations.

The parents proclaim the scholarships as a badge of honour and all the boys know who is who and the flow of cash.

If only I could get a percussion scholarship....

 

[Quick Hands]

The vibe I'm getting is that TSC have surpassed all previous targetting of talented sportsmen with inducements, making the current efforts of Newington look amateurish in comparison.

 

[sarcophilus]

Pres A v ISA was played in poor conditions and the team of stars didn't gel as a team. 1 training session (or two). Combinations were not there. The Dream Team was split across the two teams. Ditto for Joeys. And the most important point, it was all about selection, so no real sense of team. Both Joeys and Scots (and Kings) have more cohesive combinations.

The parents proclaim the scholarships as a badge of honour and all the boys know who is who and the flow of cash.

If only I could get a percussion scholarship..

I do get confused with australian sport, keep selecting "the best players"
Forget about picking the ones who know how to win. Probably great for selling wheatbix and Lexus won't fill the trophy cabinet

 

[The Spectator]

I do get confused with australian sport, keep selecting "the best players"
Forget about picking the ones who know how to win. Probably great for selling wheatbix and Lexus won't fill the trophy cabinet

Bit cryptic even for you.

 

[I like to watch]

The vibe I'm getting is that TSC have surpassed all previous targetting of talented sportsmen with inducements, making the current efforts of Newington look amateurish in comparison.

Are you forgetting New had 11 mercenaries at the Oz champs this year?
Interestingly to me, if you were to take just the 2 centres out.leaving only 11 or 12 imports are they still a grade above the rest of the comp?

 

[sarcophilus]

The ISA team was selected from a fairly well spread association the opportunity to train together does not present itself as readily as four or five well resourced schools in the Sydney basin. One extra training session then the pres. Best.

Team sport is about setting your team mate up and providing as many opportunities and choices for your team, not about how good "I" look. Possibly the difference between picking backs and forwards based teams

 

[scaraby]

Was going to resist but can't anymore.....talk about playing the man or men in this case......just about every number,percentage,rep comment etc made here about the scots under 16s is wrong,wrong and very defamatory to a great bunch of kids. .....your main references seem to be someone told me or the rantings of a disgruntled ex staff member who just makes things up.....go and get your facts right and stop the tall poppy crap.....easts don't have an u16 rep team..start there.

 

[lincoln]

Was going to resist but can't anymore...talk about playing the man or men in this case..just about every number,percentage,rep comment etc made here about the scots under 16s is wrong,wrong and very defamatory to a great bunch of kids. ...your main references seem to be someone told me or the rantings of a disgruntled ex staff member who just makes things up...go and get your facts right and stop the tall poppy crap...easts don't have an u16 rep team..start there.

Thanks scaraby - agree there may be a number of unreliable witnesses here. What I would find helpful to discard these opinions is if you could provide an absolute number of boys (no names) who are Easts Juniors in the Scots 16As to support your argument. Cheers.