Reds vs Brumbies - Rd9 2014

[Blue]

The Reds are starting to look like the Stormers. Loads of commitment. Tons of promising and exciting build ups. Inability to finish.

Brums defense was good but with at least 7 or 8 dominant scrums in the opponents 22 and a defense that had to hustle for about 30 minutes the Reds did not score.

Lots of fire and brimstone but the subtlety that was the hallmark of Reds play a couple of years back is gone.

The players are there but like wit the Stormers the question mark has to be the coaches.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Genia has been out of sorts at times but get past Quade and besides the odd bit of individual brilliance players are offering nothing. Quade keeps looking to pick up runners and nobody is running lines.

Whenever they have done it, Quade has hit them, we have broken the line and looked like the reds of old.

Fuck me Shatz is frustrating. He seems to do just enough good to stay on the team and avoids any errors that would get him dropped. In the first half he looked to run into a massive hole and didn't even manage to get on a defenders outside shoulder in the end... Then he has that ripper of a run off the back of the scrum and gases everybody!

 

[Slim 293]

If the Brumbies can polish their attack, and get rid of the 2nd half fadeouts they will be contenders......... but they were lucky not to suffer a repeat of what happened against the Rebels a fortnight ago.........

There were so many good passages of play ruined by a forced pass or sloppy handling, but still the interplay amongst the forwards was quite something in the first half.......

As for the other thing, they have been a team in the past couple of years that would get a second wind late in the game......... I'm not sure if their endurance is no longer what it was now that Benton is gone, or just the lack of depth with so many players injured and the loss of Kimlin, Palmer, Holmes and Prior?

 

[tigerland12]

Genia has been out of sorts at times but get past Quade and besides the odd bit of individual brilliance players are offering nothing. Quade keeps looking to pick up runners and nobody is running lines.

Whenever they have done it, Quade has hit them, we have broken the line and looked like the reds of old.

Fuck me Shatz is frustrating. He seems to do just enough good to stay on the team and avoids any errors that would get him dropped. In the first half he looked to run into a massive hole and didn't even manage to get on a defenders outside shoulder in the end. Then he has that ripper of a run off the back of the scrum and gases everybody!

This

 

[Set piece magic]

Agree our players seemed to have bad vision in attack last night. Quade tries to work stuff and the structure was shithouse. Lots of times we were working underlaps because we were so disorganised in attack - even when we got quick ball.

 

[Happy]

According to the match report in this morning's Australian:
"There may yet be ramifications for Moore, with Queensland coach Richard Graham indicating he would raise the matter with the citing commissioner, although Brumbies director of coaching Laurie Fisher was adamant Walsh handled the matter adroitly by ignoring Moore's retaliatory punch."

The headline for the article is "Reds fuming at ref's no-try call".

 

[Train Without a Station]

If you're relying on them contentious calls to constantly go your way you don't deserve to win.

Woody, worry less about this and more about sorting out or D, breakdown and getting runners outside Quade. No excuses.

 

[Brumby Runner]

This was a very frustrating game to watch, and certainly not one for the faint hearted. Brumbies well on top in the first half, making inroads almost at will, but on more occasions than not, throwing a silly and unnecessary pass after making a break when the player in possession should simply have gone to ground and recycled. Culprits were Kuridrani, Moore and Tomane, although there is some thought that Joe might have been tackled into touch. No such excuses for the others. And what was wrong with Scott Sio's hands when handed a ball with the line open but spilt it cold? Reds in the first half simply had no structure in attack. Many times Quades passes went to nobody (not Ealsie) and allowed the Brumbies to extricate themselves from a dangerous situation.

Game completely turned around in the second half. Reds with a lion's share of the ball constantly on attack. Looked like they would take the game away from the Brumbies but they do need to have some more attacking strings to their bow. Every time the Brumbies got possession they almost immediately kicked it away, and I have to say that the Reds won the second half kicking duels. I don't think the Brumbies could have played a worse game plan than they did in that stanza. Only their defence kept them in the game at all.

All in all, not an inspiring effort from either team. Game could have gone either way.

 

[flat_eric]

Unfortunate the Reds couldn't get up for this one. It's been hard to watch them go backwards over the last two years, even though they've keep the core of the team in tact and their star players are still in their prime. Injuries and in my opinion poor tactics go a long way for explaining it.

 

[fatprop]

To me the Reds backs look just clueless as a unit.

They just don't work hard enough off the ball to give Cooper options for him to hit.

Each of them can beat a player one on one, but change angles? run inside lines? provide support from depth? work hard enough to get back into position?

A Reds side that scores rolling mauls and pushovers?

I also think they should have taken the available points more often rather than do the hero option of the kick to the corner for the lineout. The Brumbies will disrupt, be negative with that hope that they will disrupt again.

The Rebels showed the way in their second half, take the points when offered and incrementally ramp up the pressure

 

[Scrubber2050]

My take:
1.Cooper had a shocker - spilt the pill giving the Brums a 7 pointer at the start - then he drops the ball over the line - probably another 7 - linebreaks - NONE - To'omua must get the start in Wallabies.
2. Genia continues his 12-18 month form - Nic White should be frontrunner for the Wallabies.
3. Our backs were terrible !
4. Davies ball security disgracefulk (as was his tackle on To'omua). Just shouldn't be in the side.
5. Forwards went well particularly in second half
6 Saia a MUCH BETTER SCRUMMAGER THAN HANSON as evidenced last night.
7. Moore a warrior BUT cheap shot (for whatever reason) and should get 2-3 weeks. Most yellows are for indiscretions or misjudgements without malice. Reds are for deliberate or dangerous fouls. Brums should have received a penalty from Quirk holding on BUT then Moore had the free cheap shot. Fucking disgraceful, the way that Stephen's brother (Mr Walsh) adjudicated that part of the game.

It was a game (another) lost by the Reds

 

[SammyP]

The headline for the article is "Reds fuming at ref's no-try call".

Interesting given that most people on here agree that the no try call was correct and its the non-yellow that is the contentious issue.
Put the punching aside for a moment.
Walsh was pretty clear that if Quirk had not held Moore then the try would stand. It was pretty publicly known that refs would be watching out for the attacking team holding on to defenders, hell I'm no expert and even I had heard that they would be doing that! The Reds should look to be blaming Quirk rather than the ref for the no try as he was the one who infringed.
But then had the try been awarded, there wouldn't have been a knock on by Cooper moments later, which wouldn't have led to the scrum which wouldn't have given the Reds THAT try, which in all honesty was much more impressive than Genia simply picking up the ball and putting it down.
Yes, I did ignore the potential yellow card in all that because that particular punch had nothing to do with whether or not a try should have been awarded in that moment.
Just my uneducated opinion.
And yes, I did expect Moore to be carded and was surprised that he wasn't.
But really, if he had been sent off and the Reds got on top while there were only 14 players on the field for the opposition again, that would leave a lot of people saying they can only win when they have more players on the field than the opposition.

 

[ChargerWA]

Looking at the Reds backs, they should be doing better than they are collectively.

I thought CFS was good last night and is looking like the long term option at 13. Taulangi was only on for 20, but last week showed enough that with the finals hopes pretty much shot he should be given more time now.

I think the reds now need to go with this back line.

9. Genia
10. Cooper
11. Davies
12. Harris
13. CFS
14. Taulangi
15. Start recruiting, none of the Reds options inspire me, including Toua.

 

[Pfitzy]

If the Brumbies can polish their attack, and get rid of the 2nd half fadeouts they will be contenders... but they were lucky not to suffer a repeat of what happened against the Rebels a fortnight ago...

There were so many good passages of play ruined by a forced pass or sloppy handling, but still the interplay amongst the forwards was quite something in the first half...

As for the other thing, they have been a team in the past couple of years that would get a second wind late in the game... I'm not sure if their endurance is no longer what it was now that Benton is gone, or just the lack of depth with so many players injured and the loss of Kimlin, Palmer, Holmes and Prior?

The Brumbies are making a habit of getting a lead, sitting on it, and not really catering for other teams to lift their game. Its why they came so close to the title the last couple of years but didn't get there. They played a similar standard of spoiler footy for the whole comp, and someone found a way around them.

 

[Quick Hands]

You can't be awarded a try after someone on your team infringes, regardless of the actions of the opposition. You just can't hold a player who is not in possession of the ball unless you are binding onto him at a scrum, ruck or maul. It's fairly straightforward stuff. Walsh was 100% correct.

Reds fans bagging Walsh should think back 12 months - would you have preferred Glen Jackson? Walsh has his faults, but at least he knows how to control a game - which he did well last night IMO. (And I have been a critic of his showpony antics in the past)

 

[Train Without a Station]

I thought Walsh was perfectly fine last night.

Not giving a yellow was perhaps lenient but wasn't a lot in it.

Made a couple of ballsy calls where he can't of actually seen what happened, Cooper try and a Slipper penalty at a scrum despite being on the other side of the scrum but replays showed both to be right.

If we were better, the game was there for the taking. We weren't got pretty much all we deserved, 1 point.

 

[Scotty]

I thought both should have gone to the bin or none

I appreciate the no punching, but I also hate the attitude that allows the niggler's negative play to be rewarded

So no try, you can't hold a defender to create an opening in the defence

You must be joking.

If you are going to send Quirk off for that and consistently rule that way for ruck infringements that try to get one team the upper hand we will be watching 3 vs 3 by the end of the game.

By contrast it is very very rare that an obvious punch like Moore's goes unpunished. What would have happened if Ant Fa'aingaa retaliated and punched Moore? Would we expect him to remain on the field.

 

[Scotty]

Oh and the other thing we are ignoring in this discussion of 'that' ruck is that there was a clear penalty offense prior to Quirk holding Moore and that was Tomane the tackler killing the fast ball for the Reds by not rolling away.

 

[Quick Hands]

But the ref is already playing penalty advantage to you in a much better position than 1m in from the touchline. (Which he correctly went back to)

 

[Tomikin]

My take:
1.Cooper had a shocker - spilt the pill giving the Brums a 7 pointer at the start - then he drops the ball over the line - probably another 7 - linebreaks - NONE - To'omua must get the start in Wallabies.
2. Genia continues his 12-18 month form - Nic White should be frontrunner for the Wallabies.
3. Our backs were terrible !
4. Davies ball security disgracefulk (as was his tackle on To'omua). Just shouldn't be in the side.
5. Forwards went well particularly in second half
6 Saia a MUCH BETTER SCRUMMAGER THAN HANSON as evidenced last night.
7. Moore a warrior BUT cheap shot (for whatever reason) and should get 2-3 weeks. Most yellows are for indiscretions or misjudgements without malice. Reds are for deliberate or dangerous fouls. Brums should have received a penalty from Quirk holding on BUT then Moore had the free cheap shot. Fucking disgraceful, the way that Stephen's brother (Mr Walsh) adjudicated that part of the game.

It was a game (another) lost by the Reds

Its funny before the game how the Brumbies fans were like ARRGGGGHHH WALSH.. now Walsh is Moores brother lol.

I did like it when I think it was Hansen said to him "his pushing" and he said "you need to stabilize before the ball goes in" Hansen "I meant after the feed" and Walsh looks at him like his an idiot and said "Thats not my problem"

Shakes his head walks off..

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