formerflanker
Ken Catchpole (46)
I like the joke Slim, but aren't you worried that the theory of global warming is in the hands of a comedian?
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I like the joke Slim, but aren't you worried that the theory of global warming is in the hands of a comedian?
formerflanker
Ken Catchpole (46)
When weather gets hot, it's all "see I told you that global warming was real."
When weather gets cold, the pundits say "you can't use weather to justify climate skepticism".
I just like pointing out the intrinsic discrepancies in that argument. More to come!
Go the Tahs - use the week off wisely.
formerflanker
Ken Catchpole (46)
Message received and understood Mr Doug.
boyo
Mark Ella (57)
Climate debate trashed for short-term gain
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-14/verrender-climate-debate-trashed-for-short-term-gain/5593536
"The world's climate scientists have provided us with a clear message - that the balance of evidence suggests humans are having a discernible influence on global climate."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-14/verrender-climate-debate-trashed-for-short-term-gain/5593536
"The world's climate scientists have provided us with a clear message - that the balance of evidence suggests humans are having a discernible influence on global climate."
Seriously guys... This climate change its getting serious.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/i...dName=topNews&utm_source=twitter&irpc=932
Climate change signals the end of Australian shiraz as we know it.
A study by the U.S. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found that up to 73 percent of Australian land currently used for viticulture could become unsuitable by 2050.
As the country's traditional wine growing regions including the Barossa, the Hunter Valley and Margaret River grow ever hotter and drier, winemakers are rushing to the tiny island state of Tasmania. Average summer temperatures there are currently about 38 percent cooler than in the Barossa.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/i...dName=topNews&utm_source=twitter&irpc=932
Climate change signals the end of Australian shiraz as we know it.
A study by the U.S. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found that up to 73 percent of Australian land currently used for viticulture could become unsuitable by 2050.
As the country's traditional wine growing regions including the Barossa, the Hunter Valley and Margaret River grow ever hotter and drier, winemakers are rushing to the tiny island state of Tasmania. Average summer temperatures there are currently about 38 percent cooler than in the Barossa.
redstragic
Alan Cameron (40)
Mr Doug's yard has not changed in the last 25 odd years and won't change in the next 25. Can we move all the grape growing there?
formerflanker
Ken Catchpole (46)
Here is a definition of "discernible" I read elsewhere today:
Natural sources are responsible for about 97% of atmospheric CO2, while humans are responsible for the remaining 3%. Australia’s contribution is about 1.5% of this 3.0%, which is .045% of all man made emissions.
Note the walk-back on CAGW in the original quote with the use of qualifiers such as balance of evidence and suggests.
This is another of the ridiculous and eminently stupid denialist arguments.
Scientists are very clearly saying that additional CO2 contribution is what is tipping things over the edge.
Given that the only part of the equation humans can actively control is the emissions they cause themselves then that has to be the area of focus.
"The balance of evidence suggests" is perfectly reasonable. There is so much information about the climate that is interlinked and needs to be analysed while having regard to everything else.
The knowledge evolves over time and continues to improve as more research is done and issues that previously weren't understood or fully explained become understood.
boyo
Mark Ella (57)
8 charts that show how climate change is making the world more dangerous
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...imate-change-world-more-dangerous?CMP=ema_632
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...imate-change-world-more-dangerous?CMP=ema_632
formerflanker
Ken Catchpole (46)
Conflicting evidence undermines this argument. Real world sensitivity of the earth to CO2 is low, since about half of the warming last century was due to the sun; a third due to the oceans; and 1/6th or less due to CO2.
Given these divergent findings, surely a trillion dollar response to a minor problem is an overreaction.
If WWF is to believed that photosynthesis is a key process in converting carbon dioxide into oxygen, wouldn't re-afforestation be a better solution than taxing CO2 emissions?
And back to my main concern - the vast amounts of CO2 released into the atmosphere in the last decade were predicted to cause increased warming - those models were wrong. That error must send a message to reduce expenditure on CO2 minimisation.
Pfitzy
George Gregan (70)
Sure. But how are you going to grow new trees as fast as they're being cut down for farming of commodities in the third world? In time to help arrest the CO2 problem, that is.
I am of the opinion that, once it becomes economically viable to pursue other technologies, the human race has a history of moving in that direction. Petrol took over from coal, and renewables will be the next step.
Ruggo
Mark Ella (57)
We will just create a monoculture of the worlds fasted growing plants and have a hand in stuffing up another environmental balance.
Get on board Pfitzy, you know it will work.
boyo
Mark Ella (57)
History will condemn climate change denialists
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...condemn-climate-change-denialists?CMP=ema_792
"Thousands upon thousands of scientific studies have been conducted estimating the impact of this warming. Hundreds of outstanding books have been published making the conclusions of the scientists available to the general public. To anyone willing to listen, these scientists have explained that unless human beings derive their energy from sources other than fossil fuels, the future that we face over the next decades and centuries involves the rendering of large parts of the earth uninhabitable to humans and other species – through the melting of the ice caps and glaciers and thus steadily rising sea levels, the acidification of the oceans, the destruction of forests and coral reefs, and the increase in the prevalence and intensity of famines, insect-borne diseases, droughts, bush fires, floods, hurricanes and heat-waves."
"The right-wing denialists, now dominant within the Coalition, often call themselves conservatives. They are not. At the heart of true conservatism is the belief that each new generation forms the vital bridge between past and future, and is charged with the responsibility of passing the earth and its cultural treasures to their children and grandchildren in sound order. History will condemn the climate change denialists, here and elsewhere, for their contribution to the coming catastrophe that their cupidity, their arrogance, their myopia and their selfishness have bequeathed to the young and the generations still unborn."
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...condemn-climate-change-denialists?CMP=ema_792
"Thousands upon thousands of scientific studies have been conducted estimating the impact of this warming. Hundreds of outstanding books have been published making the conclusions of the scientists available to the general public. To anyone willing to listen, these scientists have explained that unless human beings derive their energy from sources other than fossil fuels, the future that we face over the next decades and centuries involves the rendering of large parts of the earth uninhabitable to humans and other species – through the melting of the ice caps and glaciers and thus steadily rising sea levels, the acidification of the oceans, the destruction of forests and coral reefs, and the increase in the prevalence and intensity of famines, insect-borne diseases, droughts, bush fires, floods, hurricanes and heat-waves."
"The right-wing denialists, now dominant within the Coalition, often call themselves conservatives. They are not. At the heart of true conservatism is the belief that each new generation forms the vital bridge between past and future, and is charged with the responsibility of passing the earth and its cultural treasures to their children and grandchildren in sound order. History will condemn the climate change denialists, here and elsewhere, for their contribution to the coming catastrophe that their cupidity, their arrogance, their myopia and their selfishness have bequeathed to the young and the generations still unborn."
Rock Lobster
Larry Dwyer (12)
Another balanced piece from the Guardian.
"As global emissions increased, something surpassingly strange occurred"
Yeah, the average global temperature didn't get any warmer
piece from the Guardian."As global emissions increased, something surpassingly strange occurred"
Yeah, the average global temperature didn't get any warmer
Another balanced
"As global emissions increased, something surpassingly strange occurred"
Yeah, the average global temperature didn't get any warmer
Except it has.
2013 was the 4th hottest year on record worldwide and it was the hottest year on record in Australia.
The averages are slowly pushing up which is why more and more heat records are broken around the world every year.
wilful
Larry Dwyer (12)
formerflanker, I could not be arsed dealing with the zombie bullshit ideas that you put up here. Every time you make some claim, I could link to well-referenced, scientifically proven evidence that destroys your nonsense. But that's been done, a thousand times before in a thousand forums. And if I did that, you'd learn nothing and think that I'd proved nothing, because your brain has a magic shield of ideology and ignorance, where you think that a couple of old guys, generally paid directly or indirectly by oil companies, and without any independent research, operating in totally the wrong field of science, can trump the overwhelming consensus of all the scientific institutions of the world. Putting yours' Andrew Bolt's and Christopher Monckton's views on one side, and the views of the BoM, CSIRO, RS, AAS, NAS, etc etc etc on the other, I don't really see why anyone would bother to continue to debate you. You are an intellectual zombie, repeating stuff that is definitively known to be untrue, by any reasonable standard of debate. I've been there, done that, tried to convince people with logic and evidence, you've all got indiarubber minds, bouncing straight back into nonsense.
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