NSW JRU State Championships & Representative Teams 2014

[Hugh Jarse]

So is your mother. Do you talk to her like a wharfie?

Do you talk like that to your father?

Points made.

Rule 9 applies.

Move on.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Good to see that the rep players have complied with SJRU rules to be eligible to maintain their selection. It allows SJRU to avoid making a tough decision about compliance with individual eligibility rules. Having to find 8 replacement players for SJRU U16's and Presidents U16 may have been an interesting exercise.

It appears that The Competition Manager has been satisfied with the explanation that has been furnished as to why the team should remain in the competition, when that team has double the "acceptable" number of forfeits.

It must have been a very interesting explanation, when @Rugby Addict has stated that there is only 14 genuine players in the squad that are available for a 15 player game of r regular footy.

Those sort of rulings (assuming they have been made) probably need to be made public in the interests of transparency and to maintain confidence in the administration of the comp.

 

[Quick Hands]

If SJRU ever straightens itself out the ARU will be back in U16's

Very optimistic IS. Images of flying pigs just entered my head.

 

[Quick Hands]

Good to see that the rep players have complied with SJRU rules to be eligible to maintain their selection. It allows SJRU to avoid making a tough decision about compliance with individual eligibility rules. Having to find 8 replacement players for SJRU U16's and Presidents U16 may have been an interesting exercise.

It appears that The Competition Manager has been satisfied with the explanation that has been furnished as to why the team should remain in the competition, when that team has double the "acceptable" number of forfeits.

It must have been a very interesting explanation, when @Rugby Addict has stated that there is only 14 genuine players in the squad that are available for a 15 player game of regular footy.

This is the bit I don't get. How do you enter a team in a 15 a side competition when you only have 14 players? To me it's totally irresponsible to the boys on the other teams in the competition.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Fairly simple really @Quick Hands. There are rules in place about player sharing. Turn up with your 14 players (or 12 when the school 1st XV won't release two of them), demand your share of your opponents bench and everyone is happy.

Where is the problem? Isn't it all about making sure that boys who have been playing together since they were 8 get to wear a representative jersey they have earned. Some people have spent "enormous amounts of time to find players so our rep players qualify by the rules and don't miss out."

 

[S'UP]

Fairly simple really @Quick Hands. There are rules in place about player sharing. Turn up with your 14 players (or 12 when the school 1st XV won't release two of them), demand your share of your opponents bench and everyone is happy.

Where is the problem? Isn't it all about making sure that boys who have been playing together since they were 8 get to wear a representative jersey they have earned. Some people have spent "enormous amounts of time to find players so our rep players qualify by the rules and don't miss out."

I agree to a point, if as a club you didn't enter a team with 14 players when the SJRU require nominations half the team s we have now would exist. However if you don't play 6 of your nine games it has a detrimental effect on the competition, unfortunately a side may miss out on semi's because they were the unfortunate side who had to play Team A, how is that fair tho those boys? You now have an unfair competition.

 

[Slugga]

Turn up with your 14 players (or 12 when the school 1st XV won't release two of them), demand your share of your opponents bench and everyone is happy."

I wouldn't think you need to demand. Wouldn't you just do it as a matter of course. Do teams really refuse to share players?

 

[Quick Hands]

Fairly simple really @Quick Hands. There are rules in place about player sharing. Turn up with your 14 players (or 12 when the school 1st XV won't release two of them), demand your share of your opponents bench and everyone is happy.

Where is the problem? Isn't it all about making sure that boys who have been playing together since they were 8 get to wear a representative jersey they have earned. Some people have spent "enormous amounts of time to find players so our rep players qualify by the rules and don't miss out."

I love the last bit. Couldn't have them miss out could we?

You see I always thought that the reason for entering any competition was to participate in that competition and perhaps win it and that the rep jumpers were for those boys participating in those teams.

Even if we only take the thoughts of the Chatswood 16s posters into account, it would appear:

1. there was never any intention of participating in a full season of village club rugby

2. the intention was to play the minimum number of village games to qualify for the state champs

3. No real thought given to other 16s teams who have missed playing because of forfeits

4. At no time did the team ever have enough players to be viable in the physical nature of 16 year old rugby

No criticism should be implied of the 16 year old boys. The adults in charge are another matter.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Very hard to now police the requirements and exclude the boys from their rep teams if you accept they were not active, willing participants in the ruse.
Has anyone checked to see if the minimum games had been played prior to State Champs?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Buddha records show that Chatswood Stags U16 played in Rounds 1, 2, 3, and 4.

 

[I like to watch]

Not at all.
It's not a punishment,it's just despite their & their clubs best efforts,they did not meet the minimum requirements.
Won't happen again, if this is the attitude of the organisers.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Not at all.
It's not a punishment,it's just despite their & their clubs best efforts,they did not meet the minimum requirements.
Won't happen again, if this is the attitude of the organisers.

I thought about this as the heat built prior to state champs: unless you can prove that the kids knew they would forfeit in excess of the minim number of games it would be punishing innocent victims.
I would have thought that, in fact, you might need to be able to show that a given rep kid was unavailable to play for the village team on the day of one of the forfeited games before you'd be in a position to "blame" the kid(s): otherwise you have rep kids ready willing an able to play for C'wood unable to do so through no fault of their's but because some of their team mates are not able to play.
Perhaps SJRU need to be realistic about the minimum number of kids it takes to field an U16A side for a season and refuse admission to teams that do not have that number registered - but that might be a drastic solution.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Speight is an international quality footballer. He has been required to meet eligibility criteria in order to play for Australia. In addition to playing ability, other hoops have to be jumped through for representative selection.

Is Speight being "punished" for not being born here?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Speight is an international quality footballer. He has been required to meet eligibility criteria in order to play for Australia. In addition to playing ability, other hoops have to be jumped through for representative selection.

Is Speight being "punished" for not being born here?

I can see both sides of it - undoubtedly some kids suffer for the quality of coaching they get and the kids who get picked around them but its a team game and them's the breaks, so that's life.
You probably need to require kids to play all games unless they have a doctor's certificate to plug the loopholes, though. I am OK with that but I suspect others may not be.

 

[Quick Hands]

Very hard to now police the requirements and exclude the boys from their rep teams if you accept they were not active, willing participants in the ruse.
Has anyone checked to see if the minimum games had been played prior to State Champs?

Agree.

The adults who connived at this are another matter. I would like the book thrown at them - although I doubt the ability or wilingness of the SJRU to do so. They seem so bogged down with ropes around grounds and sign on tables this would go in the too hard basket.

You'd think that someone would have questioned a team registration with only 14 players for a 15 a side competition - unless of course names were registered who weren't bona fide players.

 

[Quick Hands]

Buddha records show that Chatswood Stags U16 played in Rounds 1, 2, 3, and 4.

I wonder how many players signed on for and played in those games?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

There are some parallels here between this situation and that of the AAGPS Scholarship arms race.

Well intentioned rules are being exploited by some.

The good are getting gooder.

Player numbers seem to be on the decline.

Not all those in the Not Good camp are happy with the treatment that the Good get.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

There are some parallels here between this situation and that of the AAGPS Scholarship arms race.

Well intentioned rules are being exploited by some.

The good are getting gooder.

Player numbers seem to be on the decline.

Not all those in the Not Good camp are happy with the treatment that the Good get.

The funny thing is that there's no love lost between Hunters Hill and Gordon because of the defection and yet SJRU seems to be the play thing of Hunters Hill.
That being the case why does SJRU give Chatswood so much slack?

 

[Quick Hands]

The funny thing is that there's no love lost between Hunters Hill and Gordon because of the defection and yet SJRU seems to be the play thing of Hunters Hill.
That being the case why does SJRU give Chatswood so much slack?

The SJRU reminds me of the Rump Parliament. To paraphrase Oliver Cromwell "You are no administration, just go"

 

[Hugh Jarse]

I am sure that there are some well intentioned folk in the SJRU.

Just not sure who the bad eggs are that are in charge of the wheel on the Good Ship SJRU: the chasps are influencing the good eggs away from doing what is right and proper.

At some point in time the good folk need to wrest control of the organisation from the vainglorious.