Kurtley Beale

[oztimmay]

This is not fir the first time he has done something like this. Search this thread for a rapsheet of past indiscretions. At some point you can only give someone so many chances.

 

[Train Without a Station]

You are seriously just geeing me up aren't you?

 

[Scrubber2050]

You are seriously just geeing me up aren't you?

Actually Train, I too was surprised at your insensitivity

 

[Train Without a Station]

Why does the duty of care only extend to prodigiously talented players?

 

[Slim 293]

I hope Kate doesn't mind that I'm re-posting her comment from the front page article here, but I'm in complete agreement...........

I can move past many things, but I don't believe I can move past an organisation that condones sexual harassment in the workplace.

I understand that there are circumstances that proceeded and followed the instance under review (which may be presented as 'extenuating circumstances') and that any number of these elements could be viewed as 'contributing' to Beale's decision to send offensive, degrading and sexually harassing texts about and to a female employee.

Whatever the context, I don't believe that action/reaction is ever appropriate. I don't believe that using gender to humiliate someone is an appropriate response, no matter the provocation.

I believe wholeheartedly (and have experienced) that the broader rugby community willingly accepts women as fans, supporters, employees, managers, comrades.

I hope that the ARU recognise that a 'slap on the wrist' not only condones behaviour that diminishes half their fan base, but it is a slap in the face to the men and women who don't believe sexual harassment is an appropriate response in any work environment, in any team environment, in sport, in Australia.

I will willingly still support other levels of rugby - club, NRC (if it survives), Super Rugby and probably other international teams, but I could not stomach the thought of an organisation that sends a message that I have no value because I am a female and that actions demeaning me/my gender are acceptable.

 

[Athilnaur]

TWAS needs counselling on sensitive forum participation and respecting the emotional needs of a misunderstood player who was just reaching out. Suggested penalty: one strike with a wet noodle and a caution to curb this heartless behaviour for a month or the noodle comes out again.

 

[No4918]

Actually Train, I too was surprised at your insensitivity

I was surprised it was so restrained. I do hope KB (Kurtley Beale) does not return to his issues with alcohol. That is a demon that has caused the downfall of better men than KB (Kurtley Beale) will ever likely be. That this incident occurred after he was meant to off it and better speaks to other character flaws. That is the nicest way i can put them. He absolutely deserves to be sent packing, to Georgia, he can ply his trade there.

 

[Train Without a Station]

TWAS needs counselling on sensitive forum participation and respecting the emotional needs of a misunderstood player who was just reaching out. Suggested penalty: one strike with a wet noodle and a caution to curb this heartless behaviour for a month or the noodle comes out again.

Oh my god thank you so much it means so much to me that you didn't tell Gagger. Thanks Anthilnaur. I appreciate how hard you work for all of us.

 

[Slim 293]

Muzza, that rubbish has been doing the rounds for weeks...........

 

[Dctarget]

Muzza, no need for that. Anything that is baseless, eg the entire thing you just posted, needs to go. That's a personal attack on someone and their family, a vile and cowardly act.

 

[Spieber]

Muzza, no need for that. Anything that is baseless, eg the entire thing you just posted, needs to go. That's a personal attack on someone and their family, a vile and cowardly act.

It would seem that our fair moderators have deleted it before I could comment.
Hopefully poster is given a holiday.

 

[Muzza]

I wasn't trying to be disrespectful to anyone . I was just passing on info I was sent . If it upsets people I will remove my post

 

[Muzza]

I wasn't trying to be disrespectful to anyone . I was just passing on info I was sent . If it upsets people I will remove my post

I apologise

 

[Train Without a Station]

It's just it's all pure speculation and rumor and has been repeated multiple times, with no information coming out to actually back any of it up.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

You blokes and blokesses want the thread closed down again?

There has been ample guidance provided by the Mods as to what can be posted here, and what should not be posted.

Let's just stick with facts, and information that is out in the public domain. Leave the rumour and innuendo about peoples privates lives out.

ATTENTION EVERYONE!!!

The Mods have had enough. Many of us want to close this thread completely. We're all sick of reading the putrid crap that stream through it.
Instead
**** THIS IS NOW A ZERO TOLERANCE THREAD! ****

Don't deal in rumours. Don't post to get a reaction. Don't play devils advocate. Think before you post.

 

[rugbysmartarse]

It's just it's all pure speculation and rumor and has been repeated multiple times, with no information coming out to actually back any of it up.

indeed, including the content of the test messages, and the reactions to it. the fact is we don't for sure know anything.

What if:
what if the hearing finds he didn't actually send explicitly sexual texts about Di Patston. What if that rumour was wrong? It will be very interesting to watch people's reaction to that, and see whether they believe the hearing was fair, or if their preconceptions, shaped by rumour, hold strongest

 

[Froggy]

While no-one can condone what Beale did, and he should wear the appropriate consequences, the hatred and bitterness about the guy from some posters here (who, I wouldn't mind betting, have never met him) is almost frightening.
If he is banned from rugby for all time, which is what some people seem to want, it would be a totally unprecedented action.
My guess is he will lose his ARU contract and top-up, be banned from the EOYT and fined. He should also be sent to counselling, that's what would happen out in the real world.
The ARU will have a case to answer for not protecting a staff member from bullying, and possibly not having an appropriate anti-bullying policy. In the real world the line manager (in this case Link) would also have a case to answer, but in this case I think that's unlikely.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Rugbysmartarse that's a very fair statement.

It will be meet with strong skepticism no doubt. Not because of any rumors made which paint Beale in a negative light. Due to the fact that his manager Issac Moses, in claiming through the media, McKenzie was aware of the messages, has essentially implied Beale's guilt in sending them.

 

[BDA]

I hope that the ARU recognise that a 'slap on the wrist' not only condones behaviour that diminishes half their fan base, but it is a slap in the face to the men and women who don't believe sexual harassment is an appropriate response in any work environment, in any team environment, in sport, in Australia.

I will willingly still support other levels of rugby - club, NRC (if it survives), Super Rugby and probably other international teams, but I could not stomach the thought of an organisation that sends a message that I have no value because I am a female and that actions demeaning me/my gender are acceptable.

Agree with the above. But just out of interest, just what exactly will be considered a "slap on the wrist"?

 

[Train Without a Station]

If he is banned from rugby for all time, which is what some people seem to want, it would be a totally unprecedented action.

I don't think anybody has said that with any seriousness. In the worst cases in other codes, players have been essentially banned for a season by the governing body refusing to register their contract.

As far as I'm concerned, if guilty, the ARU is the only body that needs to act. Terminating his contract (which let's be serious is almost ended anyway) is a strong consequence. Obviously they would not offer him a contract for 2015 in this case.

As for being able to play for the Waratahs (or any other Super Rugby team)? That's a more difficult one. Is he eligible for the Wallabies? In that case it really makes a mockery of his whole punishment. If a regular employee did this he wouldn't be banned from working for other companies. Yes the Waratahs are a tier under the banner of the ARU, but at the same time, isn't the ARU punishment adequate?