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It is what it is

It is what it is

John Solomon (38)
No4918 said:
If you were bullied into keeping it quiet and not reporting it to the boss would you then be comfortable going to the boss a week later or a player that you thought may have had Beale's ear? Yes, it was the wrong decision but understandable in the circumstances.
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How are you sure that Beale bullied her into keeping it quiet and not reporting it to the boss?
 
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Will Genia (78)
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No4918 said:
just like KB (Kurtley Beale) listened to everyone on the bus? He is a grown man, the coach isn't a babysitter. This is like saying the referee is the ultimate authority so if players have a punch up on ground it is his fault. You ever tried stopping people in the heat of an argument?
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I agree. I think the same applies to Hooper though and it is ridiculous that people are trying to hold him responsible for both not providing support to Patston and not dealing with Beale.

The Wallaby captain is not made responsible for every situation that arises, just as the coach isn't. To do so would place undue pressure and responsibility on one person.

It is widely reported that when McKenzie became coach he took on far more responsibilities within the ARU than any coach had done previously (at least in the professional era). He was across every section of the ARU and was given far more power to do so than previous coaches. It would seem that this is unlikely to be repeated as it is one of the reasons this has ended up so badly. It created a situation where McKenzie would be in the middle of virtually any situation rather than just being able to look after his core responsibilities and be immune from situations that have nothing to do with him.
 
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Larry Dwyer (12)
Cat_A said:
Rupert Guiness' article lamented that Pulver wasn't able to compel KB (Kurtley Beale) to do an interview with them after the hearing or on the Saturday when Rebecca Wilson painted KB (Kurtley Beale) as Nelson Mandela.

Perhaps the problem isn't with everyone else?
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Frankly Bill Pulver was shell shocked after the hearing. He'd just got slapped and wasn't thinking clearly.
 
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Arch Winning (36)
Sorry mjw - I think I wasn't clear.

Pulver can't compel Beale (even though if the CEO of my company told me to do something I'd jump) and Link & Doyle (and eventually Patston) didn't seem to be able to get Beale to change his shirt without a mid-air incident either.

Seems to be a pattern
 
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Larry Dwyer (12)
Cat_A said:
Sorry mjw - I think I wasn't clear.

Pulver can't compel Beale (even though if the CEO of my company told me to do something I'd jump) and Link & Doyle (and eventually Patston) didn't seem to be able to get Beale to change his shirt without a mid-air incident either.

Seems to be a pattern
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Agreed. But it doesn't seem to be a problem for Michael Cheika.
 
Muglair

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Alfred Walker (16)
I can't access the Australian website (a man can only afford so many monthly subscriptions for fucking everything) and so assume that the Wayne Smith article comprises the extracts kindly provided by Slim or the link to the other "resources" site .

I thought I read that Beale had sent the "first" text to some Waratah team mates some days prior to sending it to Paxton, and their names were redacted from the transcript (without the benefit of the details I am pretty appalled that KB (Kurtley Beale)'s solicitors apparently did not see fit to accord Hansen the same courtesy).

I did not see anything about the "second" text at all, being the one with the offensive additional commentary. (**Note for the pedants who have special trolling software to search and respond to key words** the second sending of the "first" text is not the "second" text)

Therefore I can't see on what basis this is evidence that Rebecca Wilson "lied" about the fabricated text.

Ash, can you please explain further?

As an aside, I have not really missed Growden in the SMH and have not followed him on espn at all. I did read todays article though and I must say I have never seen him so specific. The only thing I can't tell is if Radio is involved or not.
 
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Train Without a Station

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mjw said:
Agreed. But it doesn't seem to be a problem for Michael Cheika.
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A measure of somebody's character isn't how well they perform in the good times, it's how they perform in the bad.

Cheika has had zero problems to deal with in his time. Beale kept his nose clean for a single Super Rugby season, like he has done before. I'm sure in 2012 the Rebels would have felt that controlling Beale wasn't too much of an issue too for example.
 
mst

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Peter Johnson (47)
cornetto said:
If Di wanted her say she had her opportunity at the tribunal on Friday when she was asked to appear. She refused. She had an opportunity for her phone to be examined and she refused. Now she has turned around and said that she felt sick at the result and the KB (Kurtley Beale) article on Sunday. You had your chance to make it right Di, and you refused? Now we are all supposed to feel sorry for her - the article appears in the paper the next day with "her story" - what a fucking set up. If she wanted it all over with, and a "just" result then she should have stood up last week. If anyone thinks she isnt working this all out with her lawyers to maximise her potential payout your kidding yourself. What a fucking joke.

Im disgusted in the lot of them, KB (Kurtley Beale), Link, Pulver, Di, the journos. Its just a fucking circus with no end.

Yes Cheiks, No winners in this at all. You are our only hope...
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I think you have pointed out why Di, McKenzie or anyone with half a brain wouldn't front - its a boys club circus, as it was going to be, and has turned out that way.

I mean really, would you turn up to an all female panel to be judged if you had made a sexist statement and not be worried that its wasn't a joke?

I think the joke is the game and the ARU in all of this.

Can you imagine reading in any newspaper about some incident that has forced people to quit their jobs and made headlines internationally, the guy that did it provides a signed confession, there's other people that we know are involved in it, and yet it warrants a smack on the wrist and we are not going to actually find out who was involved?

I mean what sort of team or game knows that their are players there that are to chicken to man up mad fess up. maybe we now have a better insight as to why McKensie said he lost the dressing room.

If you, like Joe Public, read that in the newspaper you would think it was shite and an absolute joke.
 
Muglair

Muglair

Alfred Walker (16)
I have no idea HWC. I think that is why everyone disliked Growden's commentary.

Actually I would just like to know if there was anyone on here who ever actually knew who and what the hell Growden was bumbling on about on Ruck and Maul for all of those years. maybe there is a thread on the site about it.

Mind you he used the words stumble and bumble so I thought it was neat they rhymed with Fort Fumble.
 
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Braveheart81

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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mst said:
Can you imagine reading in any newspaper about sopme sincident that has forced people to quit their jobs and made headlines internationally, the guy that did it provides a sighned confession, there's other people that we know are involved in it, and yet it warrants a smack on the wrist and we are not going to actually find out who was involved?

If you, like Joe Public, read that in the newspaper you qwould think it was shite and an absolute joke.
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I think you can find many stories where the punishment handed down to the culprit is considered too lenient by some. I think in almost any situation at any level of severity, the suffering of the victim and those close to them is likely to be greater than the punishment given to the offender.

A tribunal reviewed the evidence presented to them and came up with a punishment by determining all the factors (both aggravating and mitigating).

Clearly the punishment for sexual harassment is not to be sacked for any and all sexual harassment regardless of the severity. Zero tolerance does not mean that someone is terminated if found guilty of any offence. It just means that there are consequences for any offence.
 
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Bill Watson (15)
This is all about the $$. She is angling for the payout and the best way to do this is via the media. Who can query Hooper's version of events?

Poor Bill will need an extra shot in his skim milk decaf latte today.

Time to close this thread down!
 
TahDan

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Cyril Towers (30)
Rugby Mum 2 said:
This is all about the $$. She is angling for the payout and the best way to do this is via the media. Who can query Hooper's version of events?

Poor Bill will need an extra shot in his skim milk decaf latte today.

Time to close this thread down!
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Bingo. Seems she has a bit of experience on this via Maroochydore.

At the end of the day she confronted and forgave Beale over this in June. Frankly, that should have been the end of it.
 
It is what it is

It is what it is

John Solomon (38)
No4918 said:
Patston said in the Aus article that she felt bullied into it.
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No4918, you claimed Beale bullied her into it in your previous post.
I don't have access to the Oz article but this is what was attributed to her in todays SMH article.
"I actually said to my dad I felt bullied into not telling anyone about the photos because I was embarrassed. I actually sat at a table and cried for an eternity because I didn't know who to tell because I'm so embarrassed by this. Is this what people think of me?," she said.
Patston made no mention of Beale in her comments here.
 
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