Coaching Options for Qld Rugby

[the sabanator]

The large injury list will be enough of a reason to give him another two weeks. The bye, followed by (hopefully) returning players who will take on the 12th placed Lions, will be the only further opportunities that the board can give Graham. Homeground advantage for the Reds will also help their cause. If they lose, Graham should be gone.
The two weeks will also give the board time to line up the next coach.

This makes so much sense that it's guaranteed to not happen

 

[Parse]

The board really need to listen to the fans for a change, they didn't last year and haven't so far this year, but...

Tahs game, last year 36000' this year 27000
Brumbies game, last year 30000, this year 13000
Membership, last year about this time near 35000 (I think, can't quite remember), this year 28400 approx.

Those figures represent an awful lot of cash, I would hope the board would at least listen to the sound of money if not the sound the fans are making.

 

[biggsy]

I'm ready to bring back the Reds

Plan A

Plan B

And before I get criticised atleast I have a plan B


This post was met for Reds coaching Thread not the Reds 2015 thread where I posted it 1st and been replied to.

 

[RugbyReg]

was the crowd really 13,000? That is unbelievable.

The QRU top brass won't put up anything for long if that keeps happening. Remember also that SAF teams (particularly one like the Lions) traditionally draw lower crowds.

 

[the sabanator]

I'd be surprised if the Lions draw more than 10,000. How many people want to go and watch the two worst teams in the comp...

QC (Quade Cooper) might draw a few back though

 

[Swansong10]

I made mention of the reds scrum getting destroyed against the Tahs last week and a lot of people responded with the ref was terrible etc. etc. it was no better against the brumbies.... Hopefully holmes can add something when he is back.

 

[BaysideBird]

What about this Bloke?

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/peter-russell/43/57/18

He turned Hawkes Bay and the Newcastle Falcons in England around from the bottom by promoting youth and grassroots talent. Made the ITM Cup (or Air New Zealand Cup as was called then) semi finals three years in a row with bunch of young blokes and outcasts from other Unions. If Israel Dagg didn't get a go at fullback when he was 17, and given Super Rugby at 19 at the Highlanders, I don't know if he'd be in the position he is today.

 

[gel]

was the crowd really 13,000? That is unbelievable.

The QRU top brass won't put up anything for long if that keeps happening. Remember also that SAF teams (particularly one like the Lions) traditionally draw lower crowds.

I don't recall the crowd figures being put up on the big screen - but then I was covering my eyes for a lot of the play.

From what I saw, it certainly looked like a fair bit bigger crowd than the one that attended the Western Force game, but definitely less than the Waratahs match.

It is sometimes difficult to judge though.

 

[Godfrey]

It seemed much less dense than the Waratahs game.

We haven't seen the Reds play consistently inspiring rugby at all in the past two seasons. The administration need to do something while the goodwill is dwindling, not wait until it is gone. They aren't evening playing like a team who is trying to minimise and play away from it's weaknesses in a rough period - it's just shambolic rabble with passages where the concerted efforts of players happen to gel together. It is undoing progress on every front (crowds, results, players individual careers, my vicarious happiness).

The injuries are bad, but we're not the first team in history to have our backs to the wall. Would the Crusaders fall apart in a similar situation? The Reds earned the right to expect more from the whole operation than this.

 

[Scoey]

It seemed much less dense than the Waratahs game.

That's to be expected. Take all the Tahs fans out and the crowd will always look more intelligent.


Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[Scoey]

I'd be surprised if the Lions draw more than 10,000. How many people want to go and watch the two worst teams in the comp.

QC (Quade Cooper) might draw a few back though

Us Reds fans are, generally, hopelessly romantic and eternally optimistic. Give us a reason, any reason, to believe in the team again, to think that this week we will play the glorious Rugby we all know we can play, or that just maybe this week the boys will have a solid crack, and we'll be there.

If this is the game where we may be able to field our strongest team yet, then it shouldn't be as bad you might expect. As others have said, Saffa games don't have great attendances but it shouldn't be a disaster.

 

[the sabanator]

There's a difference between committed Reds fans - a la the kind you'll find on here - and the average punter who wants to watch live footy. It's the average bloke who we need to appeal to in order to tap into his wallet to bring cash to the game. That's what worries me most going forward

 

[gel]

If we get some players back and then beat the Lions, does this mean that Richard Graham's performance clock is reset? Is the benchmark for the reds and Richard Graham now just to avoid the bottom of the ladder from now on?

Will the fact that he has not managed to ever get any team of his to ever execute his "plan" to any significance unless the plan is to just hire all the best players and just get them to do crazy individual stuff?

Why is it that he hasn't been able to prepare the balance of the squad in the basics of the game of rugby, let alone his own special brand of rugby (which still looks very much like it is to just wait for the opposition to fuck up somehow and then get it to the big kid in the team to do something)?

How is it that a guy over such a long period of time can get a free ride based on never showing any aptitude for the role at all? Mind boggling stuff.

Can someone Rationalise for me what indicators he has ever shown that make them think that Richard Graham will ever be a coach capable of getting the reds into the finals (or even above mid table)?

If the only way he can get results is to have just a group of the best players around, then give me his job and pay me half of what he gets and I will guarantee the reds the exact same outcome as what he is getting with the same squad.

 

[terry j]

then give me his job and pay me half of what he gets and I will guarantee the reds the exact same outcome as what he is getting with the same squad.

Unless the squad gel's with you, then you will do better!

 

[Scrubber2050]

Unless the squad gel's with you, then you will do better!

This is so true. The squad doesn;t have to like you BUT THEY MUST RESPECT YOU,

Jake White certainly wasn't LIKED by most but he certainly was RESPECTED ( or feared) by virtually all,

 

[2bluesfan]

Why is it that he hasn't been able to prepare the balance of the squad in the basics of the game of rugby, let alone his own special brand of rugby (which still looks very much like it is to just wait for the opposition to fuck up somehow and then get it to the big kid in the team to do something)?

How is it that a guy over such a long period of time can get a free ride based on never showing any aptitude for the role at all?

Gee, there's been many a coach who would fit this description.

 

[RedsHappy]

This is so true. The squad doesn;t have to like you BUT THEY MUST RESPECT YOU,

Jake White certainly wasn't LIKED by most but he certainly was RESPECTED ( or feared) by virtually all,

Yes.

Re Jake White. Another indirect compliment to his considerable skills is that despite his emotive, rushed departure from the Brumbies, he clearly left an institutional legacy of quality in terms of both his continuing coaching group and the new total rugby program and group culture he instituted at the Brumbies from 2012 onwards.

Look at the Brumbies in 2015 - an exceptional team playing a fine brand of the game. Well coached, well developed, playing as a genuine team.

Contrast all this with the legacy at the QRU post-Link: a serious debacle in almost all dimensions of the Reds team capability, poor coaching group overall, crowds declining badly, few if any players developing, and so on.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Yes.

Re Jake White. Another indirect compliment to his considerable skills is that despite his emotive, rushed departure from the Brumbies, he clearly left an institutional legacy of quality in terms of both his continuing coaching group and the new total rugby program and group culture he instituted at the Brumbies from 2012 onwards.

Look at the Brumbies in 2015 - an exceptional team playing a fine brand of the game. Well coached, well developed, playing as a genuine team.

Contrast all this with the legacy at the QRU post-Link: a serious debacle in almost all dimensions of the Reds team capability, poor coaching group overall, crowds declining badly, few if any players developing, and so on.

A huge oversimplification which makes no consideration for the difference in quality of the successor and others remaining at the organization.

 

[RedsHappy]

A huge oversimplification which makes no consideration for the difference in quality of the successor and others remaining at the organization.

Surely TWAS, that is the point re how institutions show their quality (or otherwise) in managing key-to-future-success succession matters!

IIRC White brought Larkham back to the Brumbies in 2012, along with reviving L Fisher's role there. In the first instance, these two men took over post-White and most would agree performed the joint Head Coach role very well, and Larkham post-Fisher's departure has done an equal and perhaps even better job, along with being appointed to the Wallabies' role.

Mean time, the Link/QRU combo appointed Graham and have persisted with him through thick and thin.

The comparative outcome being that the White/ACTRU combo has demonstrably, unquestionably done a better job of critical succession management planning than the Link/QRU combo.

 

[Quick Hands]

Surely TWAS, that is the point re how institutions show their quality (or otherwise) in managing key-to-future-success succession matters!

IIRC White brought Larkham back to the Brumbies in 2012, along with reviving L Fisher's role there. In the first instance, these two men took over post-White and most would agree performed the joint Head Coach role very well, and Larkham post-Fisher's departure has done an equal and perhaps even better job, along with being appointed to the Wallabies' role.

Mean time, the Link/QRU combo appointed Graham and have persisted with him through thick and thin.

The comparative outcome being that the White/ACTRU combo has demonstrably, unquestionably done a better job of critical succession management planning than the Link/QRU combo.

Especially when McCall and Carmichael specifically stated that RG was the man to take the Reds to the next level. He was purposely head-hunted for abilities by the QRU, rather than being a second or third choice which was forced upon them. The QRU own the Graham appointment lock, stock and barrel.