Storm in a teacup, or more serious?

[Strewthcobber]

You have to wonder why the NSWRU didn't just employ him as a Indigenous DO or some such position and pay him the $56,000 as a salary?

Or am I missing something here?

They were doing that already weren't they?

He was running the program where the funding was aimed at

 

[Quick Hands]

They were doing that already weren't they?

He was running the program where the funding was aimed at

So why was the $56,000 "just sitting in the bank"?

I realise that nothing will ever happen about this, but it's either gross incompetance at director level or something more.

 

[p.Tah]

Shouldn't have been a loan but a performance bonus instead then no mess to clean up........isn't that what they do in the big end of town

 

[Quick Hands]

Good luck with any investigation being done by The Wallopers.

Remind us how the AFP are going with their investigation into the circumstances surrounding the "sale" of the former Brumbies HQ. Depending who you listen to, the Canberra "government" have missed out on several millions of dollars of "taxation" revenue not to mention the loss of quiet enjoyment of former Crown land.

Yes, the corporate elites and the government elites aren't that careful when they're splashing our money around are they?

 

[Braveheart81]

So why was the $56,000 "just sitting in the bank"?

I realise that nothing will ever happen about this, but it's either gross incompetance at director level or something more.

Maybe the funds were slated to be spent some time down the track?

In the 2015 financial statements they finished the year with over $1m in the bank due to timing.

The programme Williams was running was ongoing wasn't it?

 

[Strewthcobber]

So why was the $56,000 "just sitting in the bank"?

I realise that nothing will ever happen about this, but it's either gross incompetance at director level or something more.

I obviously don't know, but I could guess that it was allocated for some purpose for the earn learn legend program, but hadn't been spent yet that year

They can't just spend this money however they want. They can't even spend it promoting Rugby etc. It has to be spent improving the employment prospects of Aboriginal kids under the t&cs of the funding agreement

Which is why it's such an issue that it wasn't

 

[Strewthcobber]

Maybe it was even William's salary funded for the rest of the year?

 

[I like to watch]

they'd have no funds for his salary if they lent him the money allocated to pay him

 

[NTT]

You ask for people to unite for the common good in the middle of a diatribe of division.

Anyone displaying this sort of pathological hatred of one part of Australian rugby has no credibility whatsoever.

How surprising, someone from NSW rugby telling us what to think.

Ever been outside of NSW? You may find many more people share my point of view, that NSW's self appointment as the keepers of the game is actually doing rugby a lot of damage. Plus i don't see you providing any evidence to suggest that the doom and gloom, infighting and repeat attempts to take out the ARU come from anywhere but NSW. 100 years of failure is what most people outside NSW think of the NSWRU.

How far advanced would rugby in Australia be if a national plan, footprint and competition had been set up 50 years ago? But please, keep telling us what to think.

 

[Dave Beat]

How surprising, someone from NSW rugby telling us what to think.

Ever been outside of NSW? You may find many more people share my point of view, that NSW's self appointment as the keepers of the game is actually doing rugby a lot of damage. Plus i don't see you providing any evidence to suggest that the doom and gloom, infighting and repeat attempts to take out the ARU come from anywhere but NSW. 100 years of failure is what most people outside NSW think of the NSWRU.

How far advanced would rugby in Australia be if a national plan, footprint and competition had been set up 50 years ago? But please, keep telling us what to think.

Dude pick and chose who you have a crack at.

And understand their contributions on a variety of fronts before you shoot poorly from the hip.

 

[Quick Hands]

How surprising, someone from NSW rugby telling us what to think.

Ever been outside of NSW? You may find many more people share my point of view, that NSW's self appointment as the keepers of the game is actually doing rugby a lot of damage. Plus i don't see you providing any evidence to suggest that the doom and gloom, infighting and repeat attempts to take out the ARU come from anywhere but NSW. 100 years of failure is what most people outside NSW think of the NSWRU.

How far advanced would rugby in Australia be if a national plan, footprint and competition had been set up 50 years ago? But please, keep telling us what to think.

I haven't actually told you what to think. Reading you posts, I can't see too much evidence of thought.

You seem to be having a nice old argument with yourself though, as I've never made the comments that you seem to be taking issue with.

 

[Strewthcobber]

they'd have no funds for his salary if they lent him the money allocated to pay him

Having no salary would make it pretty hard to repay any sort of short term loan though wouldnt it

 

[NTT]

Dude pick and chose who you have a crack at.

And understand their contributions on a variety of fronts before you shoot poorly from the hip.

It really doesn't bother me who someone on here is as anonymity behind avatars is common. I, along with a lot of people outside the purple circle, are frustrated with all the crap coming out of NSW, be it media or "luminaries of the game". If you don't like my opinion don't respond. Just please understand frustration is not hate, a point you guys miss. And dont send me private messages, i wont respond as it will get us nowhere.

 

[NTT]

I haven't actually told you what to think. Reading you posts, I can't see too much evidence of thought.

You seem to be having a nice old argument with yourself though, as I've never made the comments that you seem to be taking issue with.

As ive stated, NSW is the source of the problems that frustrate many rugby fans from outside NSW. I expressed frustration that the image of rugby is being damaged by NSW infighting once again. My opinion is that shit should stop for the benefit of rugby, if you read my original post correctly.
You can take the supposed moral high ground all you like, but you yourself questioned my credibility, my mental fitness and the alleged devisiveness of my opinion or "diatribe".
As long winded and rambling my point may have been, you have missed it completely.

 

[mst]

Good luck with any investigation being done by The Wallopers.

Remind us how the AFP are going with their investigation into the circumstances surrounding the "sale" of the former Brumbies HQ. Depending who you listen to, the Canberra "government" have missed out on several millions of dollars of "taxation" revenue not to mention the loss of quiet enjoyment of former Crown land.

HJ - Ironic timing with your comment!

Actually AFP investigation is still on going; but......

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act...til-it-talks-to-club-aru-20161107-gsjo2x.html

The key difference with the NSW matter is Commonwealth v state (territory) money. Commonweath don't give up nor ignore when it comes to federal money. PM&C get rather pissy about their money (and PM&C being "the" flagship department makes it worse!) and worst thing that can happen to NSW Rugby is the one one hell that all commonwealth public servants fear; The ANAO comes a'knocking!

A months worth of colonoscopy's is less intrusive and more pleasant than an ANAO audit. Criminally is one thing, but the issue now with grant management, governance and accountability Commonwealth agencies may now impose my be a bigger penalty.

Commonwealth Grants Rules and Guidelines

Grants are widely used to achieve government policy objectives, involving the payment of billions of dollars each year to the non-government sector. Grants provide significant benefits to many Australians, through the Government working in partnership with individuals and organisations to deliver outcomes for the Australian public.
The Australian Government grants policy framework applies to all non-corporate Commonwealth entities (entities) subject to the Public Governance, Performance and Accountability Act 2013 (PGPA Act).
The Commonwealth Grants Rules and Guidelines (CGRGs) establish the Commonwealth grants policy framework. They contain the key legislative and policy requirements, and explain the better practice principles of grants administration. Entities then determine their own grants administration practices in accordance with the CGRGs
The CGRGs apply to grants administration performed by ministers, accountable authorities, officials as well as third parties who undertake grants administration on behalf of the Commonwealth. It is important to note that it is the responsibility of officials to advise ministers of the requirements of the CGRGs.

 

[Dave Beat]

It really doesn't bother me who someone on here is as anonymity behind avatars is common. I, along with a lot of people outside the purple circle, are frustrated with all the crap coming out of NSW, be it media or "luminaries of the game". If you don't like my opinion don't respond. Just please understand frustration is not hate, a point you guys miss. And dont send me private messages, i wont respond as it will get us nowhere.

Avatar or Alias - you hide behind one.
The threads here are littered with frustrations th same as yours - many of them more so than yours because it's our state.
Nothing missed.
Your PM comment, that's like a pre-school kid throwing a tantrum - doesn't bother me at all.

 

[mst]

Good luck with any investigation being done by The Wallopers.

Remind us how the AFP are going with their investigation into the circumstances surrounding the "sale" of the former Brumbies HQ. Depending who you listen to, the Canberra "government" have missed out on several millions of dollars of "taxation" revenue not to mention the loss of quiet enjoyment of former Crown land.

Your fate tempting is exceptional!

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act...-to-asic-by-act-policing-20161108-gsl1wd.html

 

[fatprop]

Issues?
Farr Jones' responsibilities to the board and whether ACSIC smack him re not meeting a director's responsibilities

An audit of funding, realistically if there was more money in the account than the funding allocation, it isn't a fed gov issue as their money wasn't used.

 

[Gnostic]

Why would the NSWRU ask the NSW Police to investigate at this stage? The money was repaid and none of the parties involved are still employed by the NSWRU.



The only outcome for them from that is damage to their reputation.

Maybe ASIC will be interested because if NFJ has committed an offence it disqualifies him from holding the executive positions he does now? Does Worboys still hold an executive role?

Just because they have left the building doesn't remove the illegality committed. Add to that I've seen Governments both state and Federal chase people for misuse of grant money, on genuine projects just not the ones the money was granted for, of less value than this.

 

[Braveheart81]

Maybe ASIC will be interested because if NFJ has committed an offence it disqualifies him from holding the executive positions he does now? Does Worboys still hold an executive role?

Just because they have left the building doesn't remove the illegality committed. Add to that I've seen Governments both state and Federal chase people for misuse of grant money, on genuine projects just not the ones the money was granted for, of less value than this.

I highly doubt ASIC will be interested. At best this seems like a minor breach of the Corps Act for a relative pittance. They don't have the resources to look at such minor issues.

My point was that NSWRU is highly unlikely to pursue the matter further because it would be damaging to their reputation. They have nothing to gain.

Worboys has also left the NSWRU.