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David Wilson (68)
If the selectors don't pick Renshaw in the starting team for the India series they should be sacked immediately.
Summer of 16/17
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If the selectors don't pick Renshaw in the starting team for the India series they should be sacked immediately.
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Andrew Slack (58)
Glad to see Cummins fit enough to be in the Aussie squad twice in a row, but I really hope he stays and plays Shield Cricket in February rather than going to New Zealand and India or even playing in the Sri Lanka T20s
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David Wilson (68)
Great end to the test summer for the Aussies. The top 5 batsmen are now (or should be) confirmed IMO. The attack of Starc, Bird, Hazelwood and Lyon is strong.
Wade, Nevill, SOK, Agar and Cartwright should also be in the squad for India. This makes 14 and gives maximum flexibility. Depending on form and conditions, it means that we could either play Starc, Hazelwood, Lyon and SOK with Cartwright as the seaming all-rounder OR Starc, Hazelwood, Bird and Lyon with Agar as a spinning all-rounder. Also Smith's one and only over of leg-spin today was not too bad.
I'd go for Nevill ahead of Wade anywhere, but particuarly on turning Indian pitches.
Wade, Nevill, SOK, Agar and Cartwright should also be in the squad for India. This makes 14 and gives maximum flexibility. Depending on form and conditions, it means that we could either play Starc, Hazelwood, Lyon and SOK with Cartwright as the seaming all-rounder OR Starc, Hazelwood, Bird and Lyon with Agar as a spinning all-rounder. Also Smith's one and only over of leg-spin today was not too bad.
I'd go for Nevill ahead of Wade anywhere, but particuarly on turning Indian pitches.
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David Wilson (68)
Alas, your statistics are a little disengenuous and tend to prove Mark Twain's comment on statistics.
Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Trying to make a case based on one isolated test is ridiculous.
At least present the full picture:
NL - 63 tests, 228 wickets @ 34 (best 7/94)
SOK - 4 tests, 14 wickets @ 32 (best 3/53)
Your perfectly entitled to your view that SOK is a better spinner than Lyon, but at test level the full picture is at best equivocal. One could even argue that 4 tests is a small sample on which to base a definitive view based solely on the numbers.
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Trying to make a case based on one isolated test is ridiculous.
Your perfectly entitled to your view that SOK is a better spinner than Lyon, but at test level the full picture is at best equivocal. One could even argue that 4 tests is a small sample on which to base a definitive view based solely on the numbers.
Totally agree with this QH.
Which is why comparing their FC stats might make things a little clearer
At present:
NL - 108 matches, 342 wickets @ 37.41 (best 7/94 & 12/286)
SOK - 65 matches, 222 wickets @ 23.68 (best 7/35 & 11/159)
They're pretty different bowlers and should hopefully work well in tandem in India. Aside from the obvious (Lyon right arm, SOK left), Lyon tends to bowl a bit faster and spins the ball more (I'd prefer he slowed it down a little). He'll generally go for more runs but also be more aggressive.
SOK ties down an end really well and is accurate but probably poses less threat.
Lyon was at a real low point in form early in the South African series after a poor series in Sri Lanka. I think he would have been dropped for SOK had it not been for the fact that SOK had got injured in Sri Lanka and missed playing a couple of tests then had his drunken incident in Manly and then got injured again right when the selectors wielded the axe following the second South African test.
After a good final test against SA and a good series against Pakistan I think Lyon has really cemented his spot again.
SOK has been injured a lot. I can't remember Lyon being unavailable due to injury so that has to figure in the calculations as well.
SOK ties down an end really well and is accurate but probably poses less threat.
Lyon was at a real low point in form early in the South African series after a poor series in Sri Lanka. I think he would have been dropped for SOK had it not been for the fact that SOK had got injured in Sri Lanka and missed playing a couple of tests then had his drunken incident in Manly and then got injured again right when the selectors wielded the axe following the second South African test.
After a good final test against SA and a good series against Pakistan I think Lyon has really cemented his spot again.
SOK has been injured a lot. I can't remember Lyon being unavailable due to injury so that has to figure in the calculations as well.
With those stats it is worth mentioning that 63 of Lyon's 108 first class matches are test matches whereas only 4 of SOK's are.
If a higher proportion of SOK's first class matches were test matches he'd most likely have a substantially higher first class bowling average (and if not, he'd be one of the great test spinners or all time).
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Pretty happy with the ODI squad and not really bothered that SMarsh missed out. Lynn is a great addition and Billy Stanlake is an interesting prospect. Maxwell's selection is probably the right decision given his previous performances but I can understand why some wouldn't want him there.
Interesting omissions include Hastings and Finch who have been two of our better players the last few seasons. Selectors are obviously looking to develop some of the younger guys which is good to see.
I'd have this XI for the 1st ODI:
Khawaja
Warner
Smith
Lynn
Head
M Marsh
Faulkner
Wade (ugh)
Starc
Hazlewood
Zampa
A rotation side could look something like:
Khawaja
Warner (C)
Lynn
Head
Maxwell
M Marsh
Faulkner
Wade
Cummins
Stanlake
Zampa
Interesting omissions include Hastings and Finch who have been two of our better players the last few seasons. Selectors are obviously looking to develop some of the younger guys which is good to see.
I'd have this XI for the 1st ODI:
Khawaja
Warner
Smith
Lynn
Head
M Marsh
Faulkner
Wade (ugh)
Starc
Hazlewood
Zampa
A rotation side could look something like:
Khawaja
Warner (C)
Lynn
Head
Maxwell
M Marsh
Faulkner
Wade
Cummins
Stanlake
Zampa
One of the selector's comments about the squad was that Finch was dropped after only scoring 1 century in his last 33 ODIs or something.
Stanlake will be the tallest player ever to play for Australia if he gets selected (comments seem to be that he will probably play a couple of the five games). He's 1cm taller than Bruce Reid.
Brumby Runner
David Wilson (68)
I believe Hazelwood has already been earmarked for a rest from the first ODI, and that Stanlake will probably make his debut. Pretty sure I saw a post to that effect on the Cricket Aus website.
Strewthcobber
Mark Ella (57)
Averages of most of the potential squad in Asia (including the Aus A tour to India last year)
Renshaw obviously hasn't had a crack over there yet.
AS everyone knows, doesn't make for fantastic viewing, but small sample
Ussie might be feeling a bit nervous (averages 18 without the A tour), with SMarsh breathing down his neck for that 3 spot
Renshaw obviously hasn't had a crack over there yet.
AS everyone knows, doesn't make for fantastic viewing, but small sample
Ussie might be feeling a bit nervous (averages 18 without the A tour), with SMarsh breathing down his neck for that 3 spot
Here's the ODI team for tomorrow.
Australia XI for first ODI v Pakistan: Warner, Head, Smith, Lynn, M Marsh, Maxwell, Wade, Faulkner, Cummins, Starc, Stanlake
Lynn and Stanlake both to make their debuts.
Australia XI for first ODI v Pakistan: Warner, Head, Smith, Lynn, M Marsh, Maxwell, Wade, Faulkner, Cummins, Starc, Stanlake
Lynn and Stanlake both to make their debuts.
Strewthcobber
Mark Ella (57)
Brisbane would have torn down the Gabba if Lynn didn't play!
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Maxwell and Head are obviously going to bowl a few overs each which is why they've decided against Zampa and gone with Stanlake.
The only real head scratcher is Head opening the batting. That middle order has serious fire power but if we lose a few early wickets we could be find ourselves short of players who can occupy the crease and rotate strike through the middle overs. There's a lot of bowling options there so perhaps we could have sacrificed one of the four (six if you count Cummins and Starc) all-rounders for Khawaja.
Personally, I'd have Maxwell open as he's done it before in t20i's with success. Head hasn't been in great form in the BBL so moving him to the top of the order could expose him early.
Still should have enough quality to win comfortably.
The only real head scratcher is Head opening the batting. That middle order has serious fire power but if we lose a few early wickets we could be find ourselves short of players who can occupy the crease and rotate strike through the middle overs. There's a lot of bowling options there so perhaps we could have sacrificed one of the four (six if you count Cummins and Starc) all-rounders for Khawaja.
Personally, I'd have Maxwell open as he's done it before in t20i's with success. Head hasn't been in great form in the BBL so moving him to the top of the order could expose him early.
Still should have enough quality to win comfortably.
Brumby Runner
David Wilson (68)
Hopefully, three of Warner, Head, Smith and Lynn will stand up and make a score. It is the next three, Marsh, Maxwell and Wade where I think there might be a weakness in the batting. If they have to come in early, then the tail will probably be exposed a bit too early in the game.
Agree with the comments. This team misses the Mike Hussey/George Bailey/Michael Bevan innings rescuer who can hang around, keep the score ticking over and then ramp things up late in the innings if things go bad early.
Smith is probably the only player who really does that well in this 11 and he's too high in the batting order to be there to do it (unless of course the top order collapses around him).
Smith is probably the only player who really does that well in this 11 and he's too high in the batting order to be there to do it (unless of course the top order collapses around him).
Strewthcobber
Mark Ella (57)
Lynn is a proper long form batsmen when not injured or playing short form so he could probably do it too.
I don't mind Head at the top of the order. Has a double hundred opening a 50 over game in England, and that's where the next WC is.
Might sneak into the last spot for the India tour as well if he can perform with bat and ball. Gives him every chance.
Two wickets down in the first 10 overs and he gets out playing a premeditated slog. Not really what was required.
Mitchell Marsh will be getting nosebleeds batting at 5.
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Well 13 overs gone and 4/67 with Maxwell and M Marsh now at the crease. Two blokes not known for rotating strike or keeping the scoreboard ticking over in the middle overs.
Wade the only recognised batsman still to come and this could get quite embarrassing quickly.
The downside of not picking specialist batsmen.
Wade the only recognised batsman still to come and this could get quite embarrassing quickly.
The downside of not picking specialist batsmen.
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