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Andrew Slack (58)
Shock!
Rich, priveliged 26 year old acting like a rich, priveliged 26 year old.
Rich, priveliged 26 year old acting like a rich, priveliged 26 year old.
Questions for James O'Connor
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Andrew Slack (58)
Cry on TV. Bawl like a banshee. Whaaah!
Terribly sorry. Let family, friends and team mates down. So terrible sorry. Need to clean up my act, blah blah going for counseling, yada yada. Promise promise.
Then gets signed by one of the Super franchises. Strict behavioral conditions, vows to be a good boy. Just like last time. CEO talks up a tough game. Laws were clearly laid down. Up to James now. Blah blah.
Sniff sniff. So much pressure. Such a tough life. Please forgive me. Snort.
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Trevor Allan (34)
Unfortunately for cocaine users the high really only lasts a few hours. Also, whilst i am not a virgin i am also not balls deep right now.
amirite
Chilla Wilson (44)
As an aside - if you were a Super rugby team and could sign JOC (James O'Connor) to a $60k contract because he's been a dick, you would be insane not to.
The trouble is, I feel like when these professional players fuck up they get signed for 80 or 90cents on the dollar and not 50cents.
The trouble is, I feel like when these professional players fuck up they get signed for 80 or 90cents on the dollar and not 50cents.
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Andrew Slack (58)
Any Aussie team would be insane to sign him for more than a basic junior salary package. He is not worth the trouble but that way you will definitely get return on your money.
I doubt his agent will have much bargaining power, if any.
Who do you think would be interested?
amirite
Chilla Wilson (44)
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
^^^^^
Maybe the Bulls
Maybe the Bulls
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Tim Horan (67)
^^^^^
Maybe the Bulls
Pollard could possibly use some additional creativity in the back-line too. Some how though, I suspect that Marais would align with Blue here.
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Michael Lynagh (62)
Yes I would not call any of his digressions as sackable offences _ the coke incident being the worse of them which would raise an eyebrow and final warning perhaps. I imagine oz rugby would have welcomed him back until now. Maybe not so much now as not perhaps the influence you want around your team.
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Good value doesn't mean a good investment... especially when the player is at risk of destabilising the player group or adversely affecting some of the younger players..
Darryl Gibson sums it up best:
“I found that if you have too many people that take up too much time, you’re not getting enough time with star performers who are on task,” Gibson said.
“Part of our responsibility as coaches is to see the good in people, I genuinely felt that Zac deserved an opportunity. There are always a number of players you think you can help.
“The issue of having too many players who require a lot of management is that it takes up too much of your time.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...s/news-story/4bfac84ede73be2877fd0be9658e2645
Gillys_ghost
Dave Cowper (27)
i dont think anyone can deny that JOC (James O'Connor) is a wanker, and probably not the best bloke for a team culture, but his indiscretions are definitely not as bad as Kurtley Beale or Quades and both of those players are only hated by half the population. Buying coke is bad, but not as bad as assaulting team mates, Sexually harassing and bullying an ARU staff member, or stealing laptops.
Without agreeing with, or endorsing any of your assertions, at least Quade and Kurtley seem to be learning as they age, as opposed to James. He was given several chances by Aus rugby, and repeatedly flipped the bird at it. He would know that consuming cocaine is not condoned under a professional rugby contract, whether "banging a few lines" is a bad thing in the grand scheme of things or not (not said by you, but others).
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Yeah the key difference seems to be that Quade and Kurtley are learning and seemed to have matured.. James just seems to pay lip service to maturing and doesn't follow through with it in his actions.
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Dave Cowper (27)
What Assertions?that JOCs a wanker and bad for team culture, or that Kurtely assaulted teammates, sexually harassed and bullied an ARU employee, or that Quade committed burglary?
I agree that both Quade and Kurtley seemed to have straightened themselves out but it still confuses me why we gave them chances (Multiple in Kurtleys case) for more serious offences and then JOC (James O'Connor) acts like a drunk dick at an airport and gets his contract torn up. if there was some consistency then i wouldnt mind whether that be all 3 given multiple chances or all 3 getting the boot. JOC (James O'Connor) wasnt really given multiple chances. Being narcissistic, missing a team meeting and being out later then they should be arent really sackable offences and i would hardly say they reflect someone "flipping the bird" at australian rugby. the Cocaine thing very well might be a sackable offence and he definitely should know its unacceptable. but my point is that the sum of his crimes shouldnt equate to him being treated like such a pariah when there are others that have done far worse and are treated much better.
Agree. Not forgetting Karmichael Hunt. A cocaine dealer, not great to have around young players starting out at the club and a user for quite a while, he used to turn up for training at times high. He also rolled over to protect his arse. He was also accused with two other Bronco players (who snuck into the toilet ) of raping a young woman in a toilet and then taking photos.
Yeah, those assertions. I wasn't interested in opening the sink-holes of bile about what others did, or allegedly did, in the past, given this forum's inability to avoid descending into the wormhole of crapulence every time. They fucked up, he fucked up. They seem to have stopped. He hasn't. And yes, he was flipping the bird - after sleeping through a team event, presumably being counselled that it was unacceptable, breaking team curfew in an important series, presumably being counselled it was unacceptable then getting tired and emotional at a boarding gate he exhausted his chances by seemingly being reluctant to take a hint. And now this.
I'm all for players getting chances, as they, and we, all make mistakes. But if you cannot really learn from any of them, the chances will dry up.
That's all.
Gillys_ghost
Dave Cowper (27)
they are hardly assertions. the only thing that is somewhat subjective is the character assessments i made about JOC (James O'Connor). the stuff about Kurtley and Quade are both well documented and cant really be considered alleged. i didnt make any assertions about either of those two players. i still dont understand why talking about the Beale saga is such a taboo in these forums as when we are talking about a persons behavior it seems like a pretty reasonable topic to bring up to make comparisons to, but if you think its unacceptable i will not mention it again. my point wasnt that JOC (James O'Connor) hasnt been given chances, its that other players have been given as many chances for even more serious offences but were given reprieves. I really hope JOC (James O'Connor) does learn this time and can turn himself around because hes an incredibly talented player and i would love to see him in gold again.
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2 things..
Karmichael was never found guilty of being a cocaine dealer or raping a woman in the toilets.
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