Where to for Super Rugby?

[Derpus]

Not sold on the merits of a competition involving Asia where you aren't playing NZ or SA teams. You want to test yourselves against the best and what class of player would be attracted. Would they use it as a means of playing WA Force academy players and then have them siphoned off to the East Coast to play SRugby.

The merits are its feasible. Unlike Super Rugby or a Trans-Tasman.

 

[Moono75]

The merits are its feasible. Unlike Super Rugby or a Trans-Tasman.

I just don't see players like DHP, Adam Coleman etc sticking around for coin just to play the Sarawak Swords and Guangzhou Golden Giants and winning 97 to 12 each week.

I don't see how a Trans-Tasman comp isn't feasible.

 

[Quick Hands]

I just don't see players like DHP, Adam Coleman etc sticking around for coin just to play the Sarawak Swords and Guangzhou Golden Giants and winning 97 to 12 each week.

I don't see how a Trans-Tasman comp isn't feasible.

Professional rugby players would play against a team from Mars for the money. Don't kid yourself that there is any particular noble motivation at work.

Trans-Tasman isn't feasible because NZ don't want to play in it.

 

[Quick Hands]

That's fine, but then you have a player like Nick Cummins who made his own cult following from nothing.

I am sure there are plenty of players out there who, if you threw a bob at the marketing team, could be made into a legitimate star.

Put the players through 'being a good bloke' classes and select and play players on merit.

Many of our better players are eminently marketable - but you're relying on the ARU to drive it. Enough said.

 

[Derpus]

Our soon to be chinese overlords would throw a lot of money into a reputable Asian rugby competition that involved Australians. They wouldn't miss the chance to grow their soft power.

Plus Japan has loads of dosh. A popular Asian comp, if anything, would make it easier to retain our best players if it generates the necessary revenue.

Edit: A trans-tasmin comp isnt feasible because New Zealand have since forever ruled it out. Plus they just beat us 26 - 0. If i was a kiwi it would be fairly unpalatable.

 

[BLR]

I just don't see players like DHP, Adam Coleman etc sticking around for coin just to play the Sarawak Swords and Guangzhou Golden Giants and winning 97 to 12 each week.

I don't see how a Trans-Tasman comp isn't feasible.

Easy, have a split in the team. Maybe North of the River and South of the River. The 'Joondalup Pommies', the 'Bayswater Bro's'. The 'Spearwood Saffas'. You could sell the rights world wide for such epic clashes!

 

[Killer]

I think it will at first predominately be an Aus comp from all states with a few Asian teams thrown in. It will be full of young hard chargers and competitive games.
I think a primary focus will be high exposure and tribalism hopefully on Stokes channel 7 FTA leaving the ARU and Fox on the sidelines.
Seems the ARU have committed to it and hopefully over the next few months Clyne will be looking really bad and the soup comp will getting little relative exposure and Fox will be pissed.
The intention would be to have this comp become dominant exposure wise over a few years and TF the dominant personality at ARU type level.
And then put them all to the sword if they don't pledge allegiance, that doesn't include the board if they are still there.

 

[ACT Crusader]

Killer, good to see you've kept your sense of humour through all this..........

 

[Killer]

Killer, good to see you've kept your sense of humour through all this....

Thanks ACTC, its been pretty crap and getting crappier each day.

That is up until last Fri, at least now I don't feel as though we are alone fighting a battle against a bully that you had no chance of winning.

With all of us supporters, the club and players, TF , the WA Gov and the Feds it seems the odds have improved markedly that we will get an outcome at least somewhat palatable or even see, with a bit of luck, the board resign.

What I would really like to see is rupa and the non WF players stand up and be counted and in doing so be supported by the other super clubs. Telling Clyne that smashing rugby in Aus just so he can save face is not on.

 

[Leo86]

Funny thing is Clyne will say he has the support of the other Unions. Well Patsy that was before you turned down $50Million. What do Aussie rugby fans need to do to get the ARU to act on their behalf?

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Not sold on the merits of a competition involving Asia where you aren't playing NZ or SA teams. You want to test yourselves against the best and what class of player would be attracted. Would they use it as a means of playing WA Force academy players and then have them siphoned off to the East Coast to play SRugby.

Hard to see what we will end up with, but we need something new. Yes NZ not interested in Trans Tasman comp but even in few years if they were, we can't put 5 oz sides against 5 NZ sides as just not competitive, so that would be less Oz teams (and back to our current problem).

Ok...TF looking at new international comp which would have to be Asian based, and that would be interesting but hard to see. Maybe some sort of semi pro national comp with some Asian teams with big money backing (read China and Japan). Hard to see what a new comp could look like as lot of challenges with different models. Maybe it is the SA model where we have teams in two different competitions.

No easy and obvious answers but hope TF finds some that he can put his money and connections to good use. We need a new professional competition but working out what that could be and how that could be successful to the betterment of Oz rugby I am struggling to see obvious answers as every option comes with multitude of challenges.

 

[chibimatty]

A blending of the NRC and Japan Top-League with the inclusion of Hong Kong, Korea and the World Rugby backed Pacific Islands perhaps?

 

[Rugbynutter39]

What is most interesting about yesterday's meeting is TF been given ARU support for looking to establish another international league which means issue of playing for that league and not being able to represent the Wallabies not an issue.

TF is not like someone who seems to back down and only knows one way which is full steam ahead when commits to something, so given TF behind it and his commitment (and wealth at his disposal to fund such a thing if he chooses) I won't discount this not having legs. I suppose a case of watch this space.

 

[dru]

TF next step could be to test the support ARU has from NSW/Qld when there is cash on the table.

 

[Omar Comin']

Hard to see what we will end up with, but we need something new. Yes NZ not interested in Trans Tasman comp but even in few years if they were, we can't put 5 oz sides against 5 NZ sides as just not competitive, so that would be less Oz teams (and back to our current problem).

In my view a trans tasman comp would only be optimal if you have some form of talent equalisation throughout the entire competition.

NZ have the greater depth of talent, Australia has the bigger population centres to support teams. Pretty easy to figure out how that should marry up if your goal is to maximise the strength of the competition itself.

But even if NZ didn't go for that just increasing the number of imports (from elsewhere) allowed by Australian teams makes up for some of the difference in depth of talent.

 

[Beer Baron]

What is most interesting about yesterday's meeting is TF been given ARU support for looking to establish another international league which means issue of playing for that league and not being able to represent the Wallabies not an issue.

TF is not like someone who seems to back down and only knows one way which is full steam ahead when commits to something, so given TF behind it and his commitment (and wealth at his disposal to fund such a thing if he chooses) I won't discount this not having legs. I suppose a case of watch this space.

So the ARU are happy for TF and the force to start an Asia comp and thus not consolidate player numbers....

This would mean the force keep playing with no financial assistance while the others get some???

Lots of questions to be answered



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[Highlander35]

Who the fuck knows.

For mine, not opposing Twiggy's Comp is blatant Self Interest, it potentially gives the first: give us what we want or we're fucking off card that actually has potential to work when brought up in discussing Super Rugby, or alternatively, a legitimate withdrawal tactic/merger with the NRC/whatever post 2020.

That is to say, if the legal obligations to SANZAAR are truly unavoidable anyhow.

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[Rugbynutter39]

So the ARU are happy for TF and the force to start an Asia comp and thus not consolidate player numbers..



This would mean the force keep playing with no financial assistance while the others get some???



Lots of questions to be answered







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ARU would see long term an alternative to Super Rugby would be desirable to be found or at least not solely rely on it for professional rugby. SARU found a plan b with Pro 14 to not have all eggs in one basket, with TF assistance the ARU might find a plan b for an alternative new comp....as ARU never had the funds to start up such a thing and hence why the NRC self funded model (which limits rate of growth but puts lets risk on finances). The ARU have found a wealthy philantrophist who may help with that goal.

I imagine if alternative competition successful ARU would happily come in - we don't know all the in's and out's of this alternative comp as really early day theorising it seems.....

 

[Rugbynutter39]

In my view a trans tasman comp would only be optimal if you have some form of talent equalisation throughout the entire competition.



NZ have the greater depth of talent, Australia has the bigger population centres to support teams. Pretty easy to figure out how that should marry up if your goal is to maximise the strength of the competition itself.



But even if NZ didn't go for that just increasing the number of imports (from elsewhere) allowed by Australian teams makes up for some of the difference in depth of talent.

The problem with that is NZ don't want to seem to play ball as otherwise EPL style is way to go....and if NZ don't play ball getting quality imports from elsewhere I am not sure how realistic given we would never be able to match Northern Hemisphere wages.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...om-andrew-twiggy-forrest-20170822-gy1vqi.html

Bit more detail on alternative comp proposed which is Asian proposed league. Heck if AF can afford to explore and set it up all for it as obviously ARU's financial position is could not fund or afford the risk. But would be this years FMG dividend TF received at most.

But realistically could this be set up ready for next season? That sounds completely unrealistic would not one think?