Scotland v Australia - Sunday 26 November 1:30am AEDT

[dru]

Our attack was certainly one of the better aspects of our play this year.. but it was rubbish last night. I'm pretty sure at one point we ran the same set piece move in back to back lineouts.

Also in general play. There was some dumb rugby in the second half, I suspect they were tired and brain cells probably not firing at full pace.

 

[Derpus]

TOCC, I think your analysis of the game is pretty spot on. The 10-12 issue though is not simply about 10 and 12. The play maker at 15, while we know it can work well, it also opens opportunities for the opposition. It is a lot easier to isolate a play maker at 15 than at 12. This then places stress across the whole back line. Especially with a 12 who in not renowned for his passing skills. A similar issue is the well discussed barn dance. This has certainly been simplified and the players have gained familiarity with the process. But it is another risk. Take a player out of the equation and those stressors become much easier for an opposition to take advantage of.

Beale has looked shocking at 15 following career best form at 12. Says it all really.

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[Jagman]

So, in the past 18months Wallabies have conceded a record number of points against:

-New Zealand
-Italy
-Japan
-Ireland
-Scotland
-England

Theres some serious issues there..

And in the last two years the Aus Super Rugby teams have won 3 games against NZ teams. No national coach in the professional era has ever inherited players from such poor circumstances, not even close. And yet he beat the allblacks and came within a whisker of the bledisloe. Kepu gets a red card and now every wants to sack the coach?

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[tragic]

Beale has looked shocking at 15 following career best form at 12. Says it all really.

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Really exposed under the high ball. Enough to become a target.
If nothing else this series tells me it's 12 or the bench for Beale.

 

[dru]

Kepu gets a red card and now every wants to sack the coach?

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I'm not convinced that "now" applies. Cheika should be regarded on his record. Which is not good. Cheika leads with his chin and says, cop me on my results. So let's do that. He should not be sacked as a knee jerk reaction - options should have been under consideration since Bled #1, but I am guessing this has not been done. Those options should now be considered quickly. If something better is available then Cheika should be moved on. My guess is that we are unlikely to find better. That is not a good thing, but it may be reality. Those who have been demanding that Cheika should be treated with an absence of criticsm should shut up shop now. It aint happening.

 

[tragic]

Isn't it about now where someone with a little koala in the top right corner asks what Ewan is doing right now
It was almost worth it to watch the shitstorm...

 

[TOCC]

And in the last two years the Aus Super Rugby teams have won 3 games against NZ teams. No national coach in the professional era has ever inherited players from such poor circumstances, not even close. And yet he beat the allblacks and came within a whisker of the bledisloe. Kepu gets a red card and now every wants to sack the coach?

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Read my post again.. I made no mention of Kepu nor Cheika getting sacked, although I have been critical of Cheika in the past before this match. I’m pointing out a clear trend over the past 18months of conceding a large amount of points.. see below:

So, in the past 18months Wallabies have conceded a record number of points against:

-New Zealand
-Italy
-Japan
-Ireland
-Scotland
-England

 

[ArmchairGeneral]

Really exposed under the high ball. Enough to become a target.
If nothing else this series tells me it's 12 or the bench for Beale.

I think he's be decent under the high Ball recently but he may have been slightly concussed from that first ten minutes where he go a Scottish elbow to the head. Would've loved to have seen that replayed ten times in slow motion on the Murrayfield big screens. (Note: This is a dig at one of the unsolved problems of local TV producers influencing game outcomes)

 

[dru]

Tragic,

Right now, the only opinion that seems unfathomable to many of us, is that Cheika should stand without criticsm.

I would also suggest that there are plenty of Reds fans who are just as critical of the Reds and the Reds coaching debacle. But that would be just as irrelevant as your koala comment. With or without your amusement.

Cheika is not achieving sufficiently in the role of WB HC to continue with a firm grasp on the role. He has had plenty of opportunity to demonstrate where he is headed. The promise of future performance is not enough. His record stands for review.

 

[Jagman]

Read my post again.. I made no mention of Kepu nor Cheika getting sacked, although I have been critical of Cheika in the past before this match. I’m pointing out a clear trend over the past 18months of conceding a large amount of points.. see below:

So, in the past 18months Wallabies have conceded a record number of points against:

-New Zealand
-Italy
-Japan
-Ireland
-Scotland
-England

The trend is clear, it follows the steep decline of our Super Rugby teams. Cheika is the only coach who has beaten a NZ team this year. That's astonishing really. I'd suggest the Wallabies have massively over performed this year as disappointed as I am about last nights game.

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[TOCC]

The trend is clear, it follows the steep decline of our Super Rugby teams. Cheika is the only coach who has beaten a NZ team this year. That's astonishing really. I'd suggest the Wallabies have massively over performed this year as disappointed as I am about last nights game.

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If they deserve praise for beating the all blacks(which they did IMO) then they deserves criticism for losing twice to Scotland. That’s how it works, the the glory comes with the pain. As wallabies coach he is either responsible or he isn’t.

 

[Derpus]

That Barbarians match proved pretty devastating in the end didn't it.

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[Jagman]

If they deserve praise for beating the all blacks(which they did IMO) then they deserves criticism for losing twice to Scotland. That’s how it works, the the glory comes with the pain. As wallabies coach he is either responsible or he isn’t.

Not saying he's not responsible for a win or loss. I'm saying overall he's getting the players to play much better than their super rugby teams coaches did. Cheika finishes the year with 50:50 win loss ratio. I think the super rugby teams something like 10or 12% winning percentage against foreign teams and most of those wins were against the Jaguares. If you don't think this is a mitigating factor when judging the performance of the team this year then there's not much more to say.

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[KOB1987]

Here's the new world rankings:

1 New Zealand 93.99
2 England 90.87
3 (↑4) Ireland 86.39
4 (↓3) Australia 85.49 (-1.80)
5 South Africa 84.90
6 Scotland 84.11 (+1.80)
7 Wales 80.98
8 France 78.77

The 6 nations is going to be interesting. From the November tests I reckon both Scotland and Ireland have been more impressive than England. England run the risk of catching Eddie-itis (playing one dimensionally). We could well be pushed down to 5th with all of England, Ireland and Scotland above us, and Ireland could be pushing England for #2.

 

[Tomikin]

We were our own worst enemies in that one, no blaming the ref

We looked off the pace before Kepu went off & you've rocks in your head if you're arguing that not being a red card.

Our intensity & culture is going backwards.

We keep serving up performances like that & we don't deserve to be classed as a tier 1 nation..

Come on Italy is teir 1 so is Wales.. It's a shit result but we will always be teir 1

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[tragic]

Tragic,

Right now, the only opinion that seems unfathomable to many of us, is that Cheika should stand without criticsm.

I would also suggest that there are plenty of Reds fans who are just as critical of the Reds and the Reds coaching debacle. But that would be just as irrelevant as your koala comment. With or without your amusement.

Cheika is not achieving sufficiently in the role of WB HC to continue with a firm grasp on the role. He has had plenty of opportunity to demonstrate where he is headed. The promise of future performance is not enough. His record stands for review.

You missed my point.
I actually agree with you.
And without many viable alternatives someone (usually a reds supporter) invariable mentions Ewan at some point, followed by a bunch of replies saying he is not available/ not interested/ not the messiah.
So I was just having a laugh.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

You're worried about our attack? Really??
Under Deans we were defensively solid but couldn't buy a try.
Now we score enough to win but leak points like a sieve
Fix our defence,dumb penalties and cards and the rest can take a back seat for a while.

So what have I learnt without thinking too hard...well this match confirmed:

Kerevi is not test standard 12 with his defence

McCalman is not test standard 6 or 8

Timani is not test standard 6

Simmons needs to go once rodda, Coleman, back

We miss Dempsey

We miss Folau

We miss Dempsey

We will miss McMahon - producing his best rugby and been out best for a while so definitely sad timing

tub and hunt had ordinary performances since returning from injury

Moore retiring could not have come sooner

That will probably do...


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[KOB1987]

^^^^ I might be wrong but isn't it possible that we are only going to be without McMahon for the corresponding tour next year?

 

[KOB1987]

Year in review:

Fiji - B
Sco (H) - C-
Italy - C
NZ 1 - D
NZ 2 - B+
SA (H) - B-
Arg (H) - B
SA (A) - B+
Arg (A) - B+
NZ 3 - A
Jpn - B
Wal - B-
Eng - B-
Sco (A) - D

Median looks about a B-? Slow start with a peak at the end of the RC & Bled 3, and a poor finish

 

[wamberal]

That Barbarians match proved pretty devastating in the end didn't it.

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Good sides are able to cope with injuries. If we cannot, we will definitely win anything worth winning, ever again.