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2020 Super Rugby Round 1 (REDUX): Reds v Waratahs

Discussion in 'Rugby Matches' started by RugbyReg, Jun 11, 2020.

  1. TSR Jim Lenehan (48)

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    I’d argue there’s a false equivalence in McDuling’s post though. The attack has a chance to expose a wingers lack of
    Pace or a centre’s defence and convert it directly to field position or points. But a prop can successfully (intentionally or not) stop the progress of an attacking scrum by collapsing. We do see scrums that are under pressure but hold their shape enough to not concede a penalty.

    I do get why people object to the carding, but I think the logic is actually sound.
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  2. KOB1987 Steve Williams (59)

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    I think the ref needs to make a judgement whether the player is intentionally bringing the scrum down or whether he just getting monstered by his opposite, who ironically is actually intentionally making him take the scrum down. It was clearly the latter in this instance and the ref should adjudicate accordingly.
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  3. TSR Jim Lenehan (48)

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    Haha - I hope you are not suggesting that the ref should penalise the dominant prop in that example KOB. I can’t agree with you at all if you are.
  4. Dismal Pillock Tony Shaw (54)

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  5. Rugbynutter39 Mark Loane (55)

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    Paper saying crowd of 5590 yet I thought could have 10k - I don’t understand that as would have thought all tickets would be taken up
  6. Brumbieman Nicholas Shehadie (39)

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  7. KOB1987 Steve Williams (59)

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    No not at all, just don't send the weaker unit off.
  8. Hawko John Hipwell (52)

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    My question is "Why did Penney keep him on when Ainsley did a much better job of holding it up while he was on?" That, I thought, was poor coaching.

    I confidently predict that Bell by the time he reaches 25 will be very, very good. He is just too young and inexperienced to be starting in the front row.
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  9. Drew Jimmy Flynn (14)

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    Agreed, he has been put in far too early, would be better served coming off the bench and building his game time, skill and confidence. It’s a giant step to be packing down against Tupou less than a year after dismantling the Randwick colts pack in last years grand final. You look at James O’Connor or Leroy Houston on the opposite side of the spectrum, they were lost to Australian rugby for some of their prime years (Or totally in the case of Houston) due to early expectations and how they affect a young mans head and over/under confidence.
  10. fatprop David Wilson (68)

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    I tend to agree, but I think we need a better solution
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  11. fatprop David Wilson (68)

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    Getting you head driven out your arse is how a prop learns the reality of his work, days on the training field doesn't do it
  12. Pass it to Dunning! Watty Friend (18)

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    People were feeling for Angus Bell because he's 19, brand new and was totally outmatched. And you could see the despair on his face.
  13. Hawko John Hipwell (52)

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    Just noticed I have called Faulkner as Ainsley in several posts. My BAD! Old timers syndrome.
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  14. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    Enjoyed the game. Great to see talented young Aussie rugby players ripping in.

    Domestic pro league is the way to go. Bring it on.

    I am just going outside and may be some time.
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  15. TSR Jim Lenehan (48)

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    I get that - although to be honest I don’t feel ‘sorry’ for him as such. Not do I think Penney necessarily did the wrong thing by him.

    No doubt Bell was frustrated and disappointed in himself. He’s a pro rugby player and a bloody good one who, from my long distant view, seems to love the challenge. But what happened to him was inevitable and it will happen again as it happened to guys like Slipper, Greg Holmes, Tupou, Baxter etc

    Some of those guys got through it and became dominant scrummagers. Some, not so much. As Fat Prop said above these guys have to learn on the job and part of that learning is taking your beatings (and hopefully learning from them).

    Despite his scrum issues I thought Bell actually had a pretty decent game, and my instinct is that he will become a good scrummager over time. In the meantime he’ll have bad days and better days.

    None of this explains why Kearns, an experienced rugby commentator, was expressing surprise that the ref yellow carded a prop for repeat infringements - a practice that has been common place for at least 10 years now.
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  16. Dismal Pillock Tony Shaw (54)

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  17. Froggy Vay Wilson (31)

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    Well, I thoroughly enjoyed the game, and some of you should just watch Kiwi rugby, because you will simply never be happy. I mean, here were two very young, inexperienced sides in their first game back after a four month lay-off, of course there were mistakes.

    I can't believe how well the Tahs defence stepped up, after the pathetic start to the year. Swinton had his best game so far at this level, long may it continue, Harrison continues to improve, Maddocks was really at home at 15 and Ramm, while he made some mistakes, looks the goods. I'm not too worried about Bell, 19 is a toddler in prop years, two years ago we were worrying about Tupou's scrummaging! The growth in strength and guile in a prop between 19 and 22 is significant. Ned was pretty indifferent, but I'll cut him a bit of slack, as it's his first run since 2019, having missed the start of the season with concussion issues. The only guy I think really out of his depth is Mark N, needs a season off the bench to mature to this level.

    To me the only real disappointment was the discipline. If they keep giving up penalties like they did last night, they are playing with one arm tied behind their back.

    The Reds were also pretty exciting I thought, Wright is the real deal. For me, Wright at 6 and Hooper at 7 would look very smart in Gold, with Isi at 8. Also very impressed with McDermott, quick, clever and a real thinker. People are saying he should have the reserve scrum half job, but if he keeps playing like that I've got him starting.
  18. The Nomad Vay Wilson (31)

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    Yep , big improvement defensively by the Tahs .

    Defence always a good indicator to where a team is at , and last night’s effort shows the young Tahs team are up to it.

    Maybe also a little golf clap to Jason Gilmore , players still have to make the tackles , but rate him as a coach .

    Also have to agree that Mark N needs time to develop defensively away from Super Rugby. Have no idea whether he can tackle or not , but he rarely puts himself in position to make one .
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  19. The torpedo Peter Fenwicke (45)

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    TBH I'm sort of not surprised the reds were so shit. I had a feeling this game was gnna turn out like that. Not to metion qld v nsw and they would have been revved up to play. Not to mention losing key players and running out for a match for the first time in ages. (obviously the need to improve ASAP).

    That said, Phil Kearns was a disgrace. Actually ruined the match for me. Legit started telling him to shut up.

    Wouldn't have minded if Timmy Horan told him to shut the fuck up live on air.
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  20. The torpedo Peter Fenwicke (45)

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    Living up to his nickname of helmet

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