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Tim Horan (67)
Gnostic, apologies at getting off topic, but how? I haven't found any way to get CC in Aus. (Are the Griquas as interesting in the flesh as they sound on paper?)
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Gnostic, apologies at getting off topic, but how? I haven't found any way to get CC in Aus. (Are the Griquas as interesting in the flesh as they sound on paper?)
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Jim Lenehan (48)
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Mark Ella (57)
Where have I said I don't respect it? I have watched my share of NRC games as its rugby.
The debate is not about that. It is about keeping the game alive long enough to grow it and for the reasons stated my honest opinion has always been the NRC doesn't meet that criteria. It is not myopia, I do take offence to that since I along with some others here largely predicted the outcomes we are now seeing. The same happened again and again when I raised questions about the integrity of process that the ARU displayed in many systems and policies. I was not surprised by the Force saga and it twists and turns, history should have been the big guide for all as to the likely outcomes with the ARU. Again you read into my posts things which I have never posted, where have I ever advocated for "just SS below the Wallabies". What I advocate is something that builds on what is already there. Long term organic growth. It did actually start and was getting promoted throughout the 90s with the Club champions playing off. Why not expand on that idea? Make it semi pro if you want, if that will somehow make the Rugby better (it sure as shit hasn't worked for Australian Super Rugby players). Heineken Cup style. Just one thought.
As for the final paragraph, I have been saying on here for a long time, if we want to see real reform, the Unions have to lose the control they currently have, if not be dissolved altogether. Their self interest prevents any progress, with Harris proudly defending his "selfishness" regarding the Force matter. However realistically I doubt that will not happen prior to them going completely broke with no further head office bailouts as those proudly selfish individuals will not relinquish their reins of power and position willingly.
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Mark Ella (57)
Did I? It was not the intent if I did and can't be arsed going back now.
"This isn't the EPL or La Liga, they aren't that good that they warrant been watched despite not having any allegiance to" and this goes for the NRC and unfortunately the Australian Super side also.
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Herbert Moran (7)
If there is any truth to this it will just prove what a bunch of gutless, lying b$%rds the ARU are.
The $20 million deal that punted the Western Force out of Super Rugby
The $20 million deal that punted the Western Force out of Super Rugby
The $20 million deal that punted the Western Force out of Super Rugby
Roy Masters
A $20 million package from the Victorian government to the ARU, securing Bledisloe Cup and British and Irish Lions Test matches in Melbourne over an eight-to-10-year period, guaranteed the future of the Rebels in the SANZAAR competition.
The protracted negotiations between the Victorian government and the ARU, where approximately one-quarter of the funding will pass to the Rebels, ensured the Melbourne team would always be chosen by the ARU, ahead of Perth's Western Force, as the Australian team to be retained in the SANZAAR competition.
No top international team comes to an Australian capital city without some investment from a state government, meaning the withdrawal of funding from the Victorian government would have entrenched rugby union forever as the fourth football code in the country.
The financial package was secured by Premier Daniel Andrews, Treasurer Tim Pallas and Sports Minister John Eren.
Pallas, who was largely instrumental in building AAMI Park, Melbourne's rectangular facility used by the Storm, Rebels and A-League teams, Victory and City, was determined to retain the city's reputation as the sporting capital of Australia.
The money stays in the state, with a development centre and rectangular fields for junior teams built in conjunction with La Trobe University.
The Rebels survival is also a victory for a small group of Melbourne men who were attracted to the game via their sons playing rugby.
The group, led by VRU president Tim North SC, approached long-term benefactors for funds to purchase the Rebels licence from holder, Melbourne businessman, Andrew Cox.
When Cox, disappointed by the Rebels' on-field performance and stressed by some of his other investments, was satisfied with his exit package, he then sold the licence for a debt-free club to the VRU for $1.
The timing, along with the ARU's need to invest in grassroots and its near bankruptcy, together with its commitment to SANZAAR to cull an Australian team, was therefore a perfect storm for the Melbourne group to get their game back.
But not so perfect for the Storm who continue to have a professional rugby rival in the Victorian capital.
The ARU's claim to have been blindsided by the news of the sale of the Rebels to the VRU is also at odds with the documentation around the licence.
The ARU signed off on the option for the sale of the club to the VRU and had effectively already consented to the transaction.
Furthermore, because the Rebels were never in breach of the licence, particularly in a financial sense, they could never be legally stripped of it.
While the licence holder is Melbourne Rebels Rugby Union Limited, the company is owned by the VRU.
This, therefore, guarantees two votes at ARU board meetings – one for the Rebels and another for the VRU.
Previously, West Australian-based board member Geoff Stooke, represented the non-traditional rugby union states at meetings.
Compared to the A-League, where clubs are demanding representation on the FFA board, North and his allies have further consolidated victory.
Sadly, for the Western Force, it is the only team left in the cold from the SANZAAR restructure from 18 teams to 15.
The two South African teams culled have joined a European competition of 12 other teams from Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Italy, now called Pro 14.
The Victorian government was also aware the Melbourne Rebels were strategically named, the only SANZAAR team to insist a geographical place name be included in their title.
While NSW fans know the Waratahs are based in Sydney, who can recite the homes of the Sharks, Blues, Chiefs, Highlanders?
The massive uplift in broadcasting revenue that led SANZAAR to over expand to 18, bringing in teams from Japan and Argentina, was reflected in the big audiences in England and Europe watching southern hemisphere games.
But viewers could only be certain of the home of one team, the Melbourne Rebels, a clear winner for Visit Victoria.
It is now the VRU's responsibility to ensure their team, which won a single game in the 2017 season, remains financially viable and competitive.
The club received an initial $6m investment from the ARU when they were invited to participate in the 2011 season, a further $8m from previous owner, Harold Mitchell, and Cox's contribution.
It is the ARU's responsibility to honour its commitment to schedule top international matches in Melbourne and win back the capacity MCG crowds of the late 1990s.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/un...16-gxxde5.html
Roy Masters
A $20 million package from the Victorian government to the ARU, securing Bledisloe Cup and British and Irish Lions Test matches in Melbourne over an eight-to-10-year period, guaranteed the future of the Rebels in the SANZAAR competition.
The protracted negotiations between the Victorian government and the ARU, where approximately one-quarter of the funding will pass to the Rebels, ensured the Melbourne team would always be chosen by the ARU, ahead of Perth's Western Force, as the Australian team to be retained in the SANZAAR competition.
No top international team comes to an Australian capital city without some investment from a state government, meaning the withdrawal of funding from the Victorian government would have entrenched rugby union forever as the fourth football code in the country.
The financial package was secured by Premier Daniel Andrews, Treasurer Tim Pallas and Sports Minister John Eren.
Pallas, who was largely instrumental in building AAMI Park, Melbourne's rectangular facility used by the Storm, Rebels and A-League teams, Victory and City, was determined to retain the city's reputation as the sporting capital of Australia.
The money stays in the state, with a development centre and rectangular fields for junior teams built in conjunction with La Trobe University.
The Rebels survival is also a victory for a small group of Melbourne men who were attracted to the game via their sons playing rugby.
The group, led by VRU president Tim North SC, approached long-term benefactors for funds to purchase the Rebels licence from holder, Melbourne businessman, Andrew Cox.
When Cox, disappointed by the Rebels' on-field performance and stressed by some of his other investments, was satisfied with his exit package, he then sold the licence for a debt-free club to the VRU for $1.
The timing, along with the ARU's need to invest in grassroots and its near bankruptcy, together with its commitment to SANZAAR to cull an Australian team, was therefore a perfect storm for the Melbourne group to get their game back.
But not so perfect for the Storm who continue to have a professional rugby rival in the Victorian capital.
The ARU's claim to have been blindsided by the news of the sale of the Rebels to the VRU is also at odds with the documentation around the licence.
The ARU signed off on the option for the sale of the club to the VRU and had effectively already consented to the transaction.
Furthermore, because the Rebels were never in breach of the licence, particularly in a financial sense, they could never be legally stripped of it.
While the licence holder is Melbourne Rebels Rugby Union Limited, the company is owned by the VRU.
This, therefore, guarantees two votes at ARU board meetings – one for the Rebels and another for the VRU.
Previously, West Australian-based board member Geoff Stooke, represented the non-traditional rugby union states at meetings.
Compared to the A-League, where clubs are demanding representation on the FFA board, North and his allies have further consolidated victory.
Sadly, for the Western Force, it is the only team left in the cold from the SANZAAR restructure from 18 teams to 15.
The two South African teams culled have joined a European competition of 12 other teams from Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Italy, now called Pro 14.
The Victorian government was also aware the Melbourne Rebels were strategically named, the only SANZAAR team to insist a geographical place name be included in their title.
While NSW fans know the Waratahs are based in Sydney, who can recite the homes of the Sharks, Blues, Chiefs, Highlanders?
The massive uplift in broadcasting revenue that led SANZAAR to over expand to 18, bringing in teams from Japan and Argentina, was reflected in the big audiences in England and Europe watching southern hemisphere games.
But viewers could only be certain of the home of one team, the Melbourne Rebels, a clear winner for Visit Victoria.
It is now the VRU's responsibility to ensure their team, which won a single game in the 2017 season, remains financially viable and competitive.
The club received an initial $6m investment from the ARU when they were invited to participate in the 2011 season, a further $8m from previous owner, Harold Mitchell, and Cox's contribution.
It is the ARU's responsibility to honour its commitment to schedule top international matches in Melbourne and win back the capacity MCG crowds of the late 1990s.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/un...16-gxxde5.html
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Steve Williams (59)
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Michael Lynagh (62)
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I've said it a few times, the opportunity to effectively restructure the rugby calendar in Australia will be the year starting 2019, with it coming into full effect 2020.
Even if Super Rugby is alive or dead in 2021 when the new broadcast roll around, 2020 will be the first season under the new global calendar which has some significant benefits for Australian rugby IMO.
It shifts the finish date of Super Rugby to June, that means no more of this ridiculous July break in the Super Rugby season and the July tests are wrapped up by the 3rd week of July.
Does this mean much? IMO it's massive, not so much for test rugby, but the club rugby scene and any form of the Club Championshop/NRC/Hybrid which takes place after that. Club Rugby teams now get their non-Wallabies back in early June in some cases, and they will likely get some fringe Wallabies during August prior to Rugby Championship commencing.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
This could solve the ARU's cash problems
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Tim Horan (67)
OK, so i checked through last night (not the first time) and can find ITM, plenty of it. But nothing for this weekends round of CC. I cant be looking in the right place - any tips?
dru
Tim Horan (67)
Looks like the next matches being shown are all replays during the afternoon.
https://www.foxtel.com.au/tv-guide/search?q=currie cup
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Tim Horan (67)
Cheers.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Pulver still doesn't get it. Thank heavens for people like Brett Papworth.
KOB1987
Rod McCall (65)
Good story that
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
What're we thanking him for?
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
I certainly wasn't expecting you to be thanking him for anything given your well known hostility towards Sydney club rugby.
Good video.
But, the final takeaway message is a bit simplistic, on face value. Yes, we had teams that won championships in the past, but to sheet that all home to Club rugby per se is making some assumptions.
I'd agree with the 1984-6 Wallabies and 1991 RWC winners - amateur era when club rugby was mostly it.
But since professionalism, I'm not sure it is that simple. We had a group of players from 1998-2002 that were, in some ways, outliers, in that we had so many greats at once. Really not seen before or since. Plus, it was the era of a smaller Super Rugby tournament that was uniformly better quality. Plus, at the top level, we had stolen a march on the rest of the world with coaching / training / defensive techniques, where we have steadily been surpassed since. A lot of factors made the Wallabies great then. And Aus rugby rested on its laurels.
Yes, I totally agree that we must fix the base - schools, clubs and some in-between comp. I'd like to see fewer than 65% of all pro players being from the Shute Shield, which would mean the base was growing everywhere. Whenever I hear SS heavyweights talking about this, I can't help feeling that their scope is perhaps too narrow.
But, the final takeaway message is a bit simplistic, on face value. Yes, we had teams that won championships in the past, but to sheet that all home to Club rugby per se is making some assumptions.
I'd agree with the 1984-6 Wallabies and 1991 RWC winners - amateur era when club rugby was mostly it.
But since professionalism, I'm not sure it is that simple. We had a group of players from 1998-2002 that were, in some ways, outliers, in that we had so many greats at once. Really not seen before or since. Plus, it was the era of a smaller Super Rugby tournament that was uniformly better quality. Plus, at the top level, we had stolen a march on the rest of the world with coaching / training / defensive techniques, where we have steadily been surpassed since. A lot of factors made the Wallabies great then. And Aus rugby rested on its laurels.
Yes, I totally agree that we must fix the base - schools, clubs and some in-between comp. I'd like to see fewer than 65% of all pro players being from the Shute Shield, which would mean the base was growing everywhere. Whenever I hear SS heavyweights talking about this, I can't help feeling that their scope is perhaps too narrow.