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Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by Dave Beat, May 21, 2013.

  1. Athilnaur Arch Winning (36)

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    Well thanks for the reply BH but I must say that seems to sum up as' there was a lot of controversy, it is the CEO's fault.' I do agree there was a lot of controversy. And Pulver has I believed made an admission he had perhaps given McKEnzie too much lattitude. But my sense when he said that was in the sense of remorse for a good man lost that he could have assisted more. NOT because he had made omissions.

    There has been a lot of criticism for him blaming the media for McKenzie's resignation. I personally hold the media greatly responsible. Where is it written the media get to criticize everyone but can't be criticised themselves?

    I'm doing my utmost to avoid discussing Beale, as it has been done to death and there is little to no prospect of consensus now.

    That said I did want to table my thoughts on Pulver as I keep seeing media beat up that seems to downplay Beales sexist text message as if it was some harmless prank. They then go on to blame Pulver and the ARU for blowing it out of all proportion. Spiros Zavos' article in the Roar is a particularly shining example of the shoddy journalism. Highly selective and lacking any substance other than an allegation it was the ARU that leaked the texts!
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  2. kiap Mark Ella (57)

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    I gave this a like, not because I like it but because I agree with it.

    Power game politics and self-entitled parasites are poisoning rugby in Australia.

    Not saying he is doing a perfect job but, for mine, I hope Pulver hangs on and Cheika delivers.
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  3. Strewthcobber Mark Ella (57)

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    The rush to appoint Cheika without any sort of due process is the biggest indicator that neither Pulver or the ARU are using the processes they've set up, or alternatively they don't have any. Either one is pretty damming.

    That the board let it happen, and most probably made it happen shows the real problem at the ARU.
  4. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    You are choosing to believe that the only reason there is an issue is because of Kurtley Beale and everything at the ARU and the Wallabies was hunky-dory apart from that.

    I don't think that's the case and ultimately, I think the CEO and the Chairman won't be Pulver and Hawker by the end of next year.
  5. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    I'm not sure appointing Cheika was a bad move. I think they could have had a worldwide search and they would have come up with the same answer.

    They were stuck between a rock and a hard place with only a few days until the end of year tour and a RWC less than a year away.

    They could have made one of the assistant coaches head coach in the interim and appointed a head coach next year but that surely would have made our RWC chances even worse.
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  6. Strewthcobber Mark Ella (57)

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    I actually think he's the right man too. But he also could have been appointed as an interim coach for this tour. Lots of different ways it could have been solved.

    Appointing long term contracts in 4 days without considering any alternatives is just a recipe for disaster. And worse, from the ARU and board's point of view, if he blows up for whatever reason just before the WC they will have absolutely nowhere to hide. They haven't done the due diligence.
  7. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    I can guarantee Cheika wouldn't have coached the Wallabies on the EOYT as an interim coach.
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  8. kiap Mark Ella (57)

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    Leadership is not about "using the processes", as any fule kno.

    It's about assessing the situation and making a decision.

    The fact that there are only 8 tests before the World Cup means that appointing Cheika now—rather than next month or next year—doubles his tenure in terms of international matches in that period.

    A slow decision in this case is no decision. Appointing Cheika is not damning, IMO, it's the right call.
  9. Pfitzy Tim Horan (67)

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    If Kurtley's stupidity is not an excuse for his actions, why is Patston's emotion?

    And before you all "FUCKING CHAUVINIST PIG!" on me, consider this:

    If I had anyone in a management position, male, female, or otherwise, I'd expect them to be mature, detatched and professional enough to step straight in and lay down the law.

    But here comes the shitstorm.....
  10. Highlander35 Paul McLean (56)

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    Sexism vs Racism.

    The fight where nobody wins but the guys that get paid.
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  11. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Let's separate what was appropriate for Patston to do as someone sexually harassed in the workplace and what would have been best for her job, the Wallabies and the ARU.

    A big problem in my view was that Patston was answerable to McKenzie due to the way things were structured. Ideally, those in a managerial role within the team should have been answerable to Pulver.

    As someone new to the role trying to fit in with the playing group, I can understand her not wanting to make an issue of it. I can also understand her not wanting to make an issue of it because she was deeply hurt and embarassed.

    It doesn't mean those responses were the best way for the situation to be handled for her or for the other parties involved.

    Ultimately, it's hard to imagine a worse outcome for all concerned.
  12. Pfitzy Tim Horan (67)

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    If it had been brought to light in June, we might have

    Rested from the 3 French Tests.
    Smaller fine.
    Less happy lawyers.
    Less smug RUPA cock jugglers.

    But what about Link and Patston? Would they still have been undermined to this degree if it wasn't a he-said/she-said situation that had been left to stew?

    Dunno. Can't change it, but hopefully everyone learned from it.
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  13. It is what it is John Solomon (38)

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    This mob would have completed the due diligence for a new coach just after the 2015 RWC final.
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  14. Inside Shoulder Nathan Sharpe (72)

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    If you ask me Cheika has passed his first test.
    On his form, expressed views and their history he could have added KB to the squad but he chose not to.
    That shows an eye for the bigger picture, i reckon.
    and i aint saying anything about whether he deserves to be there now or in the future by making this observation
  15. boyo Mark Ella (57)

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    IIRC the highest-up seats at the Millennium Stadium aren't in nosebleed territory (yes, I've watched rugby there), but at the Olympic Stadium at Homebush I would agree.
  16. Rugbynutter39 Geoff Shaw (53)

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    What a load of croc that ARU were rash for quick appointment of Cheika - at senior levels of ARU they would have identified potential replacements for Link - not because he was under threat - but because you need to be prepared to enact a contingency plan if something like this happens and requires you to move quickly.

    Due dligence on Cheika and other coaching potentials would have been done under the radar some time ago and hence why they could move quickly.

    Rather than fluff around - their ability to appoint a quality coach like Cheika in a quick and effective manner actually shows astute leadership...some other aspects may not have - but not Cheika's appointment b4 EOYT
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  17. Brumby Runner Rod McCall (65)

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    And therein could lie the genesis of the next fuckup that could ultimately lead to the downfall of that coach. A very near-sighted position by the coach if that were to happen (ie not consider the behavioural record of a selected player).
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  18. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Well, Cheika has already made the decision that Beale will not join the EOYT so he's made a wise choice there whilst the situation is so volatile.

    I really don't think the coach should be making judgements about the players behavioural record though when it isn't their job. In fact they should stay entirely out of it because then they should be immune to any dramas that unfold.
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  19. Brumby Runner Rod McCall (65)

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    Ah, now I think I understand. Link was responsible for all of the misbehaviour shown by KB and its consequences. Justice done then when he decided to walk away.:rolleyes:

    There is no evidence apart from Beale's contention that Link was aware of any of the texts and images until the argument occurred on the plane. And Beale's claim needs to be taken with the largest grain of salt as he has reportedly admitted to have lied about other aspects of the issue in his statement to the tribunal. Just how link in his enlarged role, or Pulver for that matter had he retained the management control you say was passed to Link, could have intervened before Beale sent the text message isn't clear to me.
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  20. Brumby Runner Rod McCall (65)

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    There is no doubt that Beale should have been sent home. In the end though it probably wouldn't have made any difference, except perhaps to have painted Beale as the victim of an oppressive and out of touch coach who had lost the respect of the team. Player power appears to have led to Link's demise and imo it would have been turned up many more notches had Beale been sent home.

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