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Australian Schoolboys & National Championships 2017

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Inside Shoulder said:
Citing players to prove the point is dangerous when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Kemeny did his ACL in the school championships.
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Geez, its not like you to miss the point and cherry pick.

As I stated, there are plenty more examples to reinforce the point that selection in Schoolboy Rep teams isnt the be all and end all concerning a players long term prospects of being successful in the game post school. Selectors dont always get it right and circumstances come into play.
Its really a note of encouragement to any schoolboys who might miss out on being named in teams this year.

However, if you insist on being pedantic, Kemeny was injured in the Final so was the extent of his injury known that afternoon when the Schoolboy squads were announced?
I'll let you work that one out.
 
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
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Geez, its not like you to miss the point and cherry pick.

As I stated, there are plenty more examples to reinforce the point that selection in Schoolboy Rep teams isnt the be all and end all concerning a players long term prospects of being successful in the game post school. Selectors dont always get it right and circumstances come into play.
Its really a note of encouragement to any schoolboys who might miss out on being named in teams this year.

However, if you insist on being pedantic, Kemeny was injured in the Final so was the extent of his injury known that afternoon when the Schoolboy squads were announced?
I'll let you work that one out.
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Miss the point?
One of your chosen (googled?) examples was plainly explicable. I picked it from tv.
Funny that google failed to tell you that Snoz was in the 77 schools side too.
 
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Inside Shoulder said:
How much do you actually know?
Kemeny did his ACL in the school championships.
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And played extremely well (until he went off injured, late in the game). IMO was the best player that day for the beaten NSW 1st.

Problem is there is always a lot of talent and competition for breakaway/back row positions. Very good players will be overlooked

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1977 - Schoolboys Squad

1 Brad Allan Ku-ring-gai High School NSW
8 Glenn Bailey Brisbane State High School QLD
3 Tony D'Arcy Nudgee College QLD
9 Michael Egan St Joseph's College, Hunters Hill NSW
12 Gary Ella Matraville High School NSW
15 Glen Ella Matraville High School NSW
10 Mark Ella Matraville High School NSW
4 George Gavalas Homebush Boys High School NSW
1 John Hancock St Ignatius College NSW
12 Michael Hawker Shore School NSW
2 Merrick Illett Brisbane Grammar School QLD
1 Richard Leslie Brisbane Boys College QLD
9 Darrell Lester Matraville High School NSW
13 Wally Lewis Brisbane State High School QLD
6 Andrew MacLean Brisbane Grammar School QLD
3 John Matherson Pennant Hills High School NSW
5 Michael Maxwell Cranbrook School NSW
11 Peter McPherson Waratah High School NSW
10 (c) Tony Melrose Northmead High School NSW
4 Warwick Melrose Matraville High School NSW
7 Ian Miller Killarney Heights High School NSW
5 Shane Nightingale St Columban's College QLD
13 Michael O'Connor Canberra College Phillip College ACT
8 Graham Reed Marist College, Pearce ACT
7 Chris Roche Brisbane State High QLD
2 Anthony Ryan St Ignatius College NSW
14 Phillip Tuck Knox Grammar School NSW
9 Dominic Vaughan Marist College, Hamilton NSW
11 Max Williams Brisbane State High School QLD
 
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Bob Loudon (25)
Starting Team V England Schools

1 Richard Leslie Brisbane Boys College QLD
2 Merrick Illett Brisbane Grammar School QLD
3 Tony D'Arcy Nudgee College QLD
4 Warwick Melrose Matraville High School NSW
5 Michael Maxwell Cranbrook School NSW
6 Chris Roche Brisbane State High QLD
7 Ian Miller Killarney Heights High School NSW
8 Shane Nightingale St Columban's College QLD
9 Dominic Vaughan Marist College, Hamilton NSW
10 Mark Ella Matraville High School NSW
11 Peter McPherson Waratah High School NSW
12 Tony Melrose (c) Northmead High School NSW
13 Gary Ella Matraville High School NSW
14 Michael Hawker Shore School NSW
15 Glen Ella Matraville High School NSW
 
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Snoz?
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No, didnt mention all the great players from the undefeated touring Aussie Schoolboys team.
I was focusing more on the 1977 NSW teams when NSW2 defeated NSW1 before the NSW2 team beat the 1s in the Final in 2016.
Hugh Jarse pointed out the historical significance in 2016 and was discussed in the 2016 National Championships thread.
All points were made in reference to selections of schoolboy teams in relation to the success of players post school.

NSW teams 1977:
Notice how many CHS players were selected, when rugby was strong in Public High Schools then:

1977 NSW I
1. John MATHESON, Pennant Hills HS, CHS
2. Anthony RYAN, St Ignatius' College, AAGPS*
3. Brad ALLAN (CAPT), Ku-ring-gai HS, CHS
4. Michael MAXWELL, Cranbrook, CAS*
5. Warwick MELROSE, Matraville HS, CHS*
6. Ian MILLER, Killarney Heights HS, CHS*
7. Richard VAUGHAN, Knox Grammar School, CAS
8. James McINNERNEY, St Joseph’s College, AAGPS
9. Daryl LESTER, Matraville HS, CHS
10. Michael HAWKER (VC), Shore, AAGPS
11. Peter McPHERSON, Waratah HS, CHS*
12. Lloyd WALKER, Matraville HS, CHS
13. Gary ELLA, Matraville HS, CHS*
14. John MAGUIRE, St Joseph’s College, AAGPS*
15. John RAUCH, Fort St BHS, CHS
16. Dominic VAUGHAN, Marist Bros Hamilton, CCC*
17. David WOODCOCK, Singleton HS, CHS
18. Martin BULL, Balgowlah BHS, CHS
19. Tony MELROSE, Northmead HS, CHS*
20. Mark CAMERON, Shore, AAGPS
Manager: Br. Brian MURPHY, Waverley College,
Coach: Brian PEACE, Ministry of Education,


1977 NSW II
1. John HANCOCK, St Ignatius' College, AAGPS*
2. Edward JONES, Matraville HS, CHS
3. Wayne ERIKSON, Fort St BHS, CHS
4. George GAVALAS, Homebush BHS, CHS*
5. Stephen CUTLER, Knox Grammar School, CAS
6. Paul DELLAMARTA, Matraville HS, CHS
7. Phillip BARLOW, Randwick BHS, CHS
8. Grant MOULD, Matraville HS, CHS
9. Michael EGAN, St Joseph’s College, AAGPS*
10. Mark ELLA, Matraville HS, CHS*
11. Chris REW, The King's School, AAGPS
12. Ian WALTON, Hurlstone Ag College, CHS
13. Matthew STREET, Cranbrook, CAS
14. Phillip TUCK, Knox Grammar School, CAS*
15. Glen ELLA, Matraville HS, CHS*
16. Graham ENDEAN, Epping BHS, CHS
17. John LUANI, Newington College, AAGPS
18. Anthony FLITCROFT, St Joseph’s College, AAGPS
19. Mark MUNRO, Waverley College, CAS
20. Stephen KERR, Balmain HS, CHS*
Manager: Stephen FORTY, Punchbowl HS, CHS
Coach: Earl FLANDERS, Killara HS, CHS

As a matter of interest I googled the famous Schoolboys team of 1977/78

1 Brad Allan Ku-ring-gai High School NSW
8 Glenn Bailey Brisbane State High School QLD
3 Tony D'Arcy Nudgee College QLD
9 Michael Egan St Joseph's College, Hunters Hill NSW
12 Gary Ella Matraville High School NSW
15 Glen Ella Matraville High School NSW
10 Mark Ella Matraville High School NSW
4 George Gavalas Homebush Boys High School NSW
1 John Hancock St Ignatius College NSW
12 Michael Hawker Shore School NSW
2 Merrick Illett Brisbane Grammar School QLD
1 Richard Leslie Brisbane Boys College QLD
9 Darrell Lester Matraville High School NSW
13 Wally Lewis Brisbane State High School QLD
6 Andrew MacLean Brisbane Grammar School QLD
3 John Matherson Pennant Hills High School NSW
5 Michael Maxwell Cranbrook School NSW
11 Peter McPherson Waratah High School NSW
10 (c) Tony Melrose Northmead High School NSW
4 Warwick Melrose Matraville High School NSW
7 Ian Miller Killarney Heights High School NSW
5 Shane Nightingale St Columban's College QLD
13 Michael O'Connor Canberra College Phillip College ACT
8 Graham Reed Marist College, Pearce ACT
7 Chris Roche Brisbane State High QLD
2 Anthony Ryan St Ignatius College NSW
14 Phillip Tuck Knox Grammar School NSW
9 Dominic Vaughan Marist College, Hamilton NSW
11 Max Williams Brisbane State High School
 
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As a matter of interest the 2016 NSW & CS teams
The ratio of State school and Private school players is markedly different from 1977.

1. 2016 NSW Schools 1st XV
1. David TIFA , Ashcroft HS, CHS
2. Jack ONGOSIA, St Augustine's College, ISA
3. Opeti HELU, Newington College, AAGPS
4. Nick BROWN, The King’s School, AAGPS
5. Nicholas FROST, Knox Grammar, CAS
6. Josh KEMENY, Cranbrook School, CAS
7. Dylan PIETSCH, The King’s School, AAGPS
8. Michael FENN, St Ignatius College, AAGPS
9. Will HASKINS, Shore, AAGPS
10. Adam DOUEIHI, St Patrick's College, ISA
11. Jackson MOHI, Waverley College, CAS
12. Nick WILKINSON, St Joseph’s College, Hunters Hill, AAGPS
13. Will TERRY, St Ignatius Colleg, AAGPS
14. Yirribi JAFFER-WILLIAMS, St Joseph’s College, Hunters Hill, AAGPS
15. Ryan LONGVILLE, Trinity Grammar School, CAS

16. Charlie JEAVONS-FELLOWS, Scots College, AAGPS
17. Connor GRINDAL, Knox Grammar, CAS
18. Cameron PRINCE, St Augustine's College, ISA
19. Hugh MARGIN, Knox Grammar, CAS
20. Nathan LAWSON, Newington College, AAGPS
21. Terry FANOLUA, Westfields SHS, CHS
22. Tyrone TAUKAMO, Newington College, AAGPS
23. Luke OSBORNE, The King’s School, AAGPS

Manager: John GUY, Hunter Valley Grammar School,
Coach : Brad GILL, Newington College
Assistant Coach : Luke BOWER, Cranbrook School
Physiotherapist : Narelle VEVERKA
2016 NSW Schools 2nd XV
1. Darcy.BREEN, Scots College, AAGPS
2. Jacob BRISTOWE, Westfields SHS, CHS
3. Dan MATTHEW, Kariong Mtn HS, CHS
4. Liam RASCH, Trinity Grammar School, CAS
5. Rory SUTTOR, Shore, AAGPS
6. Charles RORKE, St Ignatius College, AAGPS
7. Mila HINGAO. St Augustine’s College, ISA
8. Ben GLEESON, NBSC Cromer, CHS
9. Tyzac JORDAN, Waverley College, CAS
10. Kieran HAYMAN, Hills SHS, CHS
11. Jack VEITCH, St Stanislaus’ College, ISA
12. Jordan MORRIS, Trinity Grammar School, CAS
13. James ARMSTRONG. Knox Grammar, CAS
14. Luke RIXON, Shore, AAGPS
15. Matthew McTAGGART, St Josephs College, Hunters Hill, AAGPS

16. Jack UPTON, Knox Grammar, CAS
17. Tom OSBORNE, St Ignatius College, AAGPS
18. Frank CUTLER, St Ignatius College, AAGPS
19. Tom SILK, St Ignatius College, AAGPS
20. Willy MANU, St Augustine’s College, ISA
21. Kyle BROWN, The King’s School AAGPS
22. William HARRISON, Marcellin College, CCC
23. Oliver SMEALLIE, St Ignatius College, AAGPS


Manager: Saxon BOWLES, Oakhill College
Coach: Lachlan WHITE, Trinity Grammar School
Assistant Coach: Dean HARGRAVES, Barker College
Physiotherapist: Kendall WALLACE

For the Train Spotters:
AAGPS 22 (12 NSW 1, 10 NSW 2)
St Ignatius College 7 (2 NSW 1, 5 NSW 2)
The King’s School 4 (3 NSW 1, 1 NSW 2)
Newington College 3 (3 NSW 1, 0 NSW 2)
Shore 3 (1 NSW 1, 2 NSW 2)
St Joseph’s College, Hunters Hill 3 (2 NSW 1, 1 NSW 2)
Scots College 2 (1 NSW 1, 1 NSW 2)

CAS 11 (6 NSW 1, 5 NSW 2)
Knox Grammar 5 (3 NSW 1, 2 NSW 2)
Trinity Grammar School 3 (1 NSW 1, 2 NSW 2)
Waverley College 2 (1 NSW 1, 1 NSW 2)
Cranbrook School 1 (1 NSW 1, 0 NSW 2)

ISA 6 (3 NSW 1, 3 NSW 2)
St Augustine's College 4 (2 NSW 1, 2 NSW 2)
St Patrick's College 1 (1 NSW 1, 0 NSW 2)
St Stanislaus’ College 1 (0 NSW 1, 1 NSW 2)

CHS, 6 (2 NSW 1, 4 NSW 2)
Westfields SHS 2 (1 NSW 1, 1 NSW 2)
Ashcroft HS 1 (1 NSW 1, 0 NSW 2)
Kariong Mtn HS 1 (0 NSW 1, 1 NSW 2)
NBSC Cromer 1 (0 NSW 1, 1 NSW 2)
Hills SHS 1 (0 NSW 1, 1 NSW 2)

CCC 1 (0 NSW 1, 1 NSW 2)
Marcellin College (0 NSW 1, 1 NSW 2)

AICES 0 (0 NSW 1, 0 NSW 2)

Hugh Jarse, Jun 24, 2016


2016 Combined States
1. Dylan VALENI (Westfields Sports HS) - NSW
2. Jason TANI (Ipswich Grammar School) - QLD
3. Bo ABRA (St Stanislaus’ College) - NSW
4. Tom JEFFRIES (St Joseph’s Nudgee College) - QLD
5. Esei HAANGANA (St Paul’s Catholic College) - NSW
6. Edward FRY (NBSC Freshwater) - NSW
7. Ben O’SULLIVAN (Waverley College) - NSW
8. Tom SERHON (Newington College) - NSW
9. Dylan DOWLING (St Joseph’s College, Hunters Hill) - NSW
10. Nicholas SHANNON (The Scots College) - NSW
11. Lachlan DAY (St Joseph’s College, Hunters Hill) - NSW
12. Matthew ORPEN (The King’s School) - NSW
13. Jordan PETALA (Brisbane State High School) - QLD
14. Ratu NIUMATAIWALU (Ipswich Grammar School) - QLD
15. Patrick PELLEGRINI (Champagnat Catholic College) - NSW

16. James LYNCH (The King’s School) - NSW
17. Luke EDWARDS (Shore) - NSW
18. John YATES (St Joseph’s College, Hunters Hill) - NSW
19. Sonny AH SAN (Padua College) - QLD
20. Nathan MARSHALL (Iona College) - QLD
21. Jack MANN (St Edmund’s College) - ACT
22. Matthew TAYLOR (St Edmund’s College) - ACT
23. Ed GREGORY (Shore) - NSW

Named in the Squad but not the tournament Program
Hugh GREEN (The Scots College) - NSW

Manager: Kieran SMITH, Dubbo Secondary College – Senior Campus NSW
Coach: David IDSTEIN The King’s School NSW
Assistant Coach: Hugo ENGELE Trinity Grammar School NSW
Physiotherapist: Brendan WILSON, NSW
 
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Inside Shoulder said:
You’d think you’d invented the wheel.
This is the subject of a thesis which you’ll find somewhere in these threads and on google.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...nior_representation_in_Australian_rugby_union
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A logical conclusion indeed Professor: well researched.
''These results lead us to suggest that selection into the Australian Schoolboys team is not a precursor for later Rep honours"
I think that's what was being discussed by Up the Guts and me while you were snapping at ankles.
Stating the obvious for some but still .....

What about the big drop in CHS rep players in NSW teams from 1977 as compared to 2016?
23 players in 1977 vs 6 players in 2016.
Have you written a thesis on this?
Rugby used to be very strong in Public Schools in those days, along with league ... not sure exactly when rugby fell off the map and league gained the ascendancy.
 
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
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A logical conclusion indeed Professor: well researched.
''These results lead us to suggest that selection into the Australian Schoolboys team is not a precursor for later Rep honours"
I think that's what was being discussed by Up the Guts and me while you were snapping at ankles.
Stating the obvious for some but still ...

What about the big drop in CHS rep players in NSW teams from 1977 as compared to 2016?
23 players in 1977 vs 6 players in 2016.
Have you written a thesis on this?
Rugby used to be very strong in Public Schools in those days, along with league . not sure exactly when rugby fell off the map and league gained the ascendancy.
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Another discovery?
You’re on a roll.
 
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