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Broadcast options for Australian Rugby

Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by WorkingClassRugger, Aug 29, 2012.

  1. Ignoto Chilla Wilson (44)

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    Is Cricket even pulling the tv eyeballs to warrant such a bold claim? With T20 being such a hit and miss game, would you really have that many people preferring to watch a T20 game over a Rugby game?
  2. WorkingClassRugger Andrew Slack (58)

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    Yes. The Australian team is a different beast compared to the BBL.
  3. Adam84 Chilla Wilson (44)

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    and regardless of who is going to rate higher, the fact is they will operate in competition to each other which isn't what 9 paid for
  4. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Were the expectations too high if he hasn't met expectations?

    He's played 92 tests. He's got the equal most Super Rugby caps for the Waratahs ever and has more Super Rugby caps than anyone else in the competition in 2020.

    He's one of 10 Wallabies to ever get a nomination for the World Rugby Player of the Year in the 20 years its been running (no Aussie has ever won) and one of 12 players to win the John Eales Medal in the 18 years it has run for and played at 3 Rugby World Cups.

    If you were offered that as the future career of a superstar schoolboy you would surely take it every day of the week.
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  5. Joe King Ted Thorn (20)

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    And yet, I expected him to go on to be a truly great no.10 - maybe one of Australia’s best.

    Do you think my expectations were too high?
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  6. wamberal David Codey (61)

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    Watched the Waratahs beat the Crusaders again for the title. One thing that really struck me was how good Foley was, including his kicking. What went wrong? The only thing I can think of is that he was misguided by a succession of kicking coaches?


    The rest of his game would be expected to deteriorate a bit over time, but his kicking should have been getting better and better.
  7. Adam84 Chilla Wilson (44)

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    confidence.
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  8. TheNude Frank Nicholson (4)

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    Georgina Robinson said during the World Cup the interview she's longing to do is with Foley in a fews years time when he's hopefully rebounded and playing well to find out what was going in 2019. Hopefully it happens as I'd really love to read it.
  9. Derpus Andrew Slack (58)

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    He was a confidence player and half the population hates his guts and gives him constant stick.
  10. Sully John Eales (66)

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    I don't hate his guts, I just don't think he was a complete player. And that's what you need at flyhalf.
  11. Jimmy_Crouch Phil Hardcastle (33)

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    So you have hated every fly half since 2007?
  12. Sully John Eales (66)

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    It's in the first sentence damn it.

    I would take a less gifted attacking player for someone who can kick and defend any day.
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  13. Rebels3 Chilla Wilson (44)

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    Foley started performing under his old standard once the rush defense came into fashion, infact almost all Aussie 10s did. I’d say the lack of players that win contact in our teams compared to other teams meant we struggled more they did. We now have some more dynamic talent coming through which will help.
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  14. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    This hasn't really been an available option either.
  15. dru Mark Ella (57)

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    I hear you, and it seems a common position from many who have strong knowledge of the game.

    But I don't agree. For me the core of a 10 should be an ability to read and direct the game, excellence in passing (both sides), fabulous passing kick, and instinctiveness in attack. If this comes with defence and general kicking/goal kicking that is crazy in effectiveness. But it starts with the game play effectiveness and if necessary a coach should be capable of covering weakness in defence and kicking.
  16. RoffsChoice Jim Lenehan (48)

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    Having a 12, 13, and 15 who do their job means you can get away with a 10 who is an acceptable-but-nothing-special defender. And you can coach anyone with a decent work ethic to that level of defensive ability.

    Likewise, having another goalkicker in the team allows you to overlook that gap in a 10, but selecting a good team includes having someone to kick if the first kicker goes down, so that role generally sits within the starting and reserve halves. Pretty much anyone can be taught to be a good goalkicker on the training ground, but the true art of clutch goalkicking is being able to mentally put yourself back on the training ground when 100k people are hooting and hollering around you, and not anyone can do that.

    Ultimately, the playmaking in the team is driven by the halves. Even when you see the forwards "take over" for a while, they are "taking over" because the scrumhalf has decided to allow it. I don't think you can overlook a flyhalf performing badly with the excuse "the 9 doesn't understand what's happening outside them" because the other side of that coin is "the 10 doesn't understand what's happening in front of them", and that's pretty damning.
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  17. Adam84 Chilla Wilson (44)

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    we talking about Quade Cooper?
    I'd say its about 3/4 of the population who hates his guts and gives him constant stick.
  18. shanky Ted Fahey (11)

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    I don't think KB is the best player who's ever been, but by God, he's given us some great highlights.

    He's one of the few players knocking about where when he has the ball in his hand, you pause, anticipating maybe, a bit of magic. An entertainer. How many other players can we say that about?

    (King Carlos? Quadey in '11? Jonathon Davies? Ella, Campo?)

    Plus, you know..Bloemfontein and that kick.yup

    When he goes, I'll miss him.
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  19. Joe King Ted Thorn (20)

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    He was especially good during the 2015 World Cup as well.
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  20. Jimmy_Crouch Phil Hardcastle (33)

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    quote="Joe King, post: 1130264, member: 17397"]He was especially good during the 2015 World Cup as well.[/quote]

    Also 2010 when he was nominated for world rugby player of the year.
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