Federal Coalition Government 2013-?

[matty_k]

Basically. And now this
"Some of Tony Abbott's most controversial speeches have been airbrushed from history since the election."

http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politic...ersial-speeches-disappear-20131130-2yimm.html

 

[Ruggo]

So Abbott is telling us we misunderstood when they said all schools would get the same funding under either government.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ski-reversal-misunderstood-promise?CMP=twt_gu

Doesn't sound like the "unity ticket" they told the voters.

 

[Runner]

So, the voters misunderstood what they were voting for, according to him.

Is that a bit like "There will be no etc"/

 

[I like to watch]

They deliberately told the electorate repeatedly,that it did not matter who you voted for in this matter,as they were matching the ALP.
It's going to serve them right,when Palmer starts to fuck them up for fun,when his senators are sworn in.

 

[Runner]

The problem with Gonski is not now. The ALP made the major payments in years to come. So like HDIS it hits the budget in a major around 2017.

The question of funding equitably is one issue but the real debate needs to be about teacher quality etc. The best and brightest are not attracted to the education system for various reason and when they do come a vast number leave after only a few years.

Lets have the politicians debate education

 

[matty_k]

Lets have the politicians debate education.

Which makes me ask, if Pyne thinks Gonski is complicated now surely he must have had some misgivings about it when in opposition, so why didn't he ask a single question of the then Education Minister about it?
What was he doing in opposition as the Shadow Education Minister?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Basically. And now this
"Some of Tony Abbott's most controversial speeches have been airbrushed from history since the election."

http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politic...ersial-speeches-disappear-20131130-2yimm.html

Does anyone really think the pm should keep a private website going once he gains office? The quoted sentence is a beat up.
Those of you who may wish to quote it could look here

I concede that something should have been done to make it easier to find those old speeches but describing them as airbrushed as if they couldn't be retrieved is just lazy journalism that actually makes the problem worse in that the gullible assume they are lost forever.

 

[Ruggo]

The problem with Gonski is not now. The ALP made the major payments in years to come. So like HDIS it hits the budget in a major around 2017.

The question of funding equitably is one issue but the real debate needs to be about teacher quality etc. The best and brightest are not attracted to the education system for various reason and when they do come a vast number leave after only a few years.

Lets have the politicians debate education

The issue of teacher quality is so complex because in truth, each class room and each school is different. Quantifying teacher quality is impossible if underlying factors are not considered.

My understanding of Gonski is that these were issues that the reform acknowledged in it's structure.

I am sure we would all like to believe that all kids are presented to the school environment in good shape but sadly this is not the case. The teacher and the school is all to often dumped with issues beyond the scope of their duties to educate. Keeping in mind, none of this is a young child or teachers fault.

As for having education ministers debate education, that should of been done during the last election campaign rather than committing to a unity ticket. The merits of what Pyne is saying should of been scrutinized there and then and the voters been the judge. Instead the reality is the voters were fed a lie.

 

[Round 15]

Parents! Nobody is talking about the attitude of parents to education. Children take the attitude of their parents to school. If the parents don't value education, neither will the child. I think too many parents don't value education and therefore we have many children out there who don't value education. Results, less teaching as the teacher is too busy trying to get these kids under control.

 

[redstragic]

Parents! Nobody is talking about the attitude of parents to education. Children take the attitude of their parents to school. If the parents don't value education, neither will the child. I think too many parents don't value education and therefore we have many children out there who don't value education. Results, less teaching as the teacher is too busy trying to get these kids under control.

This argument is a bit simple. Of course parents want what is best for their kids and put in a real effort in raising them. Of course many parent really care about their child's education. That some may not does not become a general rule to apply to all. The issue at hand is complicated and the solution is more than parents needing to take more responsibility.

This type statement echoes the conservative "politics of personal responsibility". It isn't many steps from there to the rot we see going on
Elsewhere where the conservatives beat on all day about all the spurious threats to their freedom and the need to protect it all costs. How long till we see that here? I know you are not saying that but it is easy to oversimplify an issue and distort things. I am sick of seeing it happen in politics.

I did edit this and explain my point better. R15, I am not having a go at you as I am sure it does make up a part of the problem. I am just making a statement about issues being sunk by oversimplifying them.



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[Braveheart81]

The problem is that you have to find a way of improving the education of kids from more disadvantaged backgrounds whose parents are less active in their education and care less about it.

Gonski was looking to address this by providing greater resources to these schools.

Education is the single best thing to spend money on to improve the future of the country. The results take a long time to come to fruition but it is an incredibly worthwhile investment.

If Australia wants to continue to have world leading standards of living then our population needs to become more and more educated. It will be less and less possible to support more low skilled jobs than is absolutely necessary.

There's no point taking a stance that blames bad parents for not ensuring their kids get a good education. It isn't the kids' faults that their parents are crap and will just hold the country back in the future.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

When you have people commenting who do not understand that a sentence must contain a verb and that "of" is not a verb the depth and breadth of the problem is apparent.

 

[Runner]

Which makes me ask, if Pyne thinks Gonski is complicated now surely he must have had some misgivings about it when in opposition, so why didn't he ask a single question of the then Education Minister about it?
What was he doing in opposition as the Shadow Education Minister?

Initially he did particularly on Lateline but then perhaps the desire to win an election got the better of him

 

[boyo]

Christopher Pyne's comprehension, maths skills lacking on Gonski

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/christopher-pynes-comprehension-maths-skills-lacking-on-gonski-20131201-2yjlk.html#ixzz2mGylynoU

 

[boyo]

Which makes me ask, if Pyne thinks Gonski is complicated now surely he must have had some misgivings about it when in opposition, so why didn't he ask a single question of the then Education Minister about it?
What was he doing in opposition as the Shadow Education Minister?[/quote]



Try this for size (thanks to Braveheart81):-

Christopher Pyne was appointed Shadow Education minister in September 2008. In the five years he held that position he produced no education policy, asked 3 questions in parliament (none related to education) and was expelled from parliament a record 26 times for unruly conduct. This amounts to his entire achievements as Shadow Education minister.
During the same time the government of the day undertook the Gonski review. The most comprehensive review of the Australian education system in 40 years. The purpose of the review was to address declining overall student performance, the growing performance gap between schools, the complexity of current school funding arrangements and dealing with the imbalance of education funding between states and territories.
The recommendation of the review was for an agreement between Federal and State governments to increase funding for schools to ensure smaller class sizes, more specialised teachers, more support for children with disabilities and learning problems and additional training and classroom support for teachers.
In his first act as Education minister Pyne has effectively announced today that the Gonski reforms will be scrapped. Apparently a man who has spent the last five years clowning around in parliament until he's thrown out for being a distraction is better placed than a year long review with over 7000 submissions and input from 71 national education groups to decide what's best for the future of education in Australia.

 

[matty_k]

And Gonski is back on (I think).

http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politic...s-12-billion-into-schools-20131202-2yl79.html

 

[redstragic]

And Gonski is back on (I think).

Yeah is all over the ABC as well. Apparently they are implementing "too the letter".

All I can say is WTF was the last week all about then? Given the extreme pressure that must have come to bare to make them back down how arrogant must they have be to think they could try it in the first place. I thought the adults were supposed to be back in charge?

Reminds me a little bit of when Cando tried to retrospectively reduce the Solar feed in tariff and they got slammed till they backed off.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Pyne is saying that they found the $1.2 b shorten couldn't.
Don't rule out the possibility that this was all about showing Shorten the touchline and getting the throw in.

 

[matty_k]

I think you're right on that one IS.
But before today I thought the 1.2b didn't exist?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I think you're right on that one IS.
But before today I thought the 1.2b didn't exist?

If we're right its a high risk somewhat bizarre strategy so rational observations like yours have a limited role to play in evaluating their behaviour.