Homophobic remark in Tahs Brumbies game

[Quick Hands]

well. the ARU policy is simple, there will likely be some punishment handed out for this..

And so there should be. Make an example of the person. There's no place for offensive name calling in sport. I hate it and I hate when it's dismissed as sledging - which it isn't.

 

[Quick Hands]

So what exactly is your issue with the comments he made after the game and how have they brought the game into disrepute anymore then what was already identified on the field?

His comments, if anything appear as thought he is trying to downplay the issue by making light of the ARU's recent inclusion policy as a means of reducing homophobia.

such as:

My issue is he should have said something like his captain did.

"something was said on the field, a complaint has been made and I don't want to say anything further at this time."

If things aren't handled properly he can let loose with both barrels

 

[BDA]

yeh if I was the ARU I'd keep the name of the offender confidential if possible, and fine them a small amount. I'm not sure this requires someone's name to be dragged through the mud and potentially create some resentment between players in the wallabies camp.

What is worrying is not just that the comments were made, but that the player was in an environment where he felt that was acceptable. There should be a team meeting to address it.

 

[TOCC]

I'm criticising Pocock, not for bringing it to the attention of the referee or for bringing it to the attention of the ARU, but for commenting on it to a journo before the ARU have even had a chance to do anything.

The person who made the homophobic remark should be punished accordingly. There's no place in rugby for that sort of stuff at any level. You are right, he is the person who has brought the game into disrepute. I'm simply disappointed that a player of Pocock's stature hasn't given the authorities a chance to deal with it before commenting to the press.

If there was a bad tackle, a dangerous play, a fight or some other misdemeanour; players and coaches have often offered up an opinion. Larkham and White commented on Gills spear lift the week before, and rightfully so.. Im sure some players commented on the 3 red cards in the Sharks vs Chiefs game this weekend and whether they thought they were right or the actions of the players dangerous.

You criticised others for double standards earlier, perhaps you are guilty of the same.. Or should players not speak about incidents until the judiciary has handed back their findings?

 

[Quick Hands]

yeh if I was the ARU I'd keep the name of the offender confidential if possible, and fine them a small amount. I'm not sure this requires someone's name to be dragged through the mud and potentially create some resentment between players in the wallabies camp.

What is worrying is not that just that the comments were made, but that the player was in an environment where he felt that was acceptable. There should be a team meeting to address it.

I assume that by now all the players in both the Waratahs and Brumbies squad would know the identity of the player. From there it wouldn't be long before most of the professional rugby players in the country knew.

I agree that it is worrying a person would think that the remark was acceptable in the environment. I think that more than a team meeting is needed to address it.

The player really needs to be named so that others aren't suspected. That should form part of a proper ARU disciplinary hearing in accordance with normal protocols.

 

[BDA]

Out of interest, last night I watched an ESPN documentary about Duke University basketball star Christian Laettner in the 80s. At one point there was an untrue rumor circulating that he was in a gay relationship with a team mate, and the hatred for Laettner/duke was so intense among opposition fans at the time that they had footage of packed college stadiums chanting "Faggot" at him during games.

I couldn't believe my eyes. God how times have changed, for the better.

 

[Quick Hands]

If there was a bad tackle, a dangerous play, a fight or some other misdemeanour; players and coaches have often offered up an opinion. Larkham and White commented on Gills spear lift the week before, and rightfully so.. Im sure some players commented on the 3 red cards in the Sharks vs Chiefs game this weekend and whether they thought they were right or the actions of the players dangerous.

You criticised others for double standards earlier, perhaps you are guilty of the same.. Or should players not speak about incidents until the judiciary has handed back their findings?

I don't think players, coaches or officials should be commenting of send-offs or citings either. I'd be fairly certain that they are forbidden from doing so.

Either we have proper impartial processes or we don't. If we want an orderly, transparent and fair disciplinary system then we have to let it do its thing. If we want to run it through the media where participants are free to put whatever they want out there before or during the process, then it's anarchy.

 

[qwerty51]

It was Potgieter, fined 10k.

That might harm the case to re-sign him.

Have to say bit relieved it wasn't a Wallaby..

 

[BDA]

nice to hear it wasn't anyone from the wallabies. the fact that it was a Saffa, makes it less of a PR disaster from an ARU perspective.

 

[TOCC]

It was Potgieter, fined 10k.

That might harm his case to re-sign him.

Have to say bit relieved it wasn't a Wallaby..

ARU surely won't allow him to extend now..


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[BDA]

perhaps the bloke should concentrate on his ball handling and less on bullying.

 

[ShtinaTina]

http://www.sanzarrugby.com/superrugby/news/potgieter-fined-20k-for-slur/

 

[barbarian]

I had a very solid suspicion it was him at the time.

He was agitating all game, especially at scrum time. You could hear him pretty solidly through the mikes. He also did a lot of sarcastic clapping and head patting after penalties.
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[Quick Hands]

It was Potgieter, fined 10k.

That might harm the case to re-sign him.

Have to say bit relieved it wasn't a Wallaby..

Glad that this was dealt with quickly and properly.

 

[Dave Beat]

Glad that this was dealt with quickly and properly.

Spot on, hope it is now left behind.

 

[Slim 293]

Wait, so how are we going to pin this on Beale?

And what punishment should Pocock receive for bringing this to light?

Still so many unanswered questions..........

 

[qwerty51]

I bet there were a lot of people hoping it was Beale

 

[Ruggo]

I think its wrong to speculate on who the player is at this point in time unless you have heard it from the horses mouth, i think this is a disgusting act and we don't want to be speculatively labelling the wrong person.

I know your comment is serious but on a lighter note that is a great pun.

 

[Quick Hands]

And what punishment should Pocock receive for bringing this to light?

No one has ever suggested that Pocock should be punished have they?

I've certainly expressed disappointment at his comments to the press, but have supported him (a) reporting it to the referee and (b) lodging an official complaint.

I know that a lot of people on the internet like having good guys and bad guys and see the world in those simple terms. Unfortunately, the world is more complex than that. What a proper disciplinary/justice system needs is a fair and proper process - one that deals with the facts and even treats the bad guys fairly, as opposed to one which is conducted through the media and takes sides on the basis of the fact that one party is deemed to have greater moral authority than others.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

ARU surely won't allow him to extend now..


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Really? He was fined and far as we know first and hopefully last offence like this. But to not resign a player over this instance when first time and received $20k fine is just over the top as big penalty applied and time to move on.

It was Potgieter, fined 10k.

That might harm the case to re-sign him.

Have to say bit relieved it wasn't a Wallaby..