Next Wallabies Coach.

[Paradox]

Except Rudd was a megalomaniac when he had the top job and from all reports and reliable 'sauces' McKenzie wasn't.

Yeah yeah, who cares about details. I was entertained

 

[cyclopath]

Can't see this ending up a shitfight at all. There were complains about NSW bias when there was a New Zealander coaching.

Now there is an active NSW coach in charge of the Australian team and as a result, top up contracts.

Should all work out fine.

Maybe we need to appoint a Tasmanian? Let's face it, it will be all NSW bias regardless of who coaches the team, as it ever is.

 

[Paradox]

Maybe we need to appoint a Tasmanian? Let's face it, it will be all NSW bias regardless of who coaches the team, as it ever is.

I think his point is that if he is both the Tahs coach and Wallaby coach at the same time then that could be an issue. I agree. Cheika is the best option we have at present but he needs to cut the Waratah umbilical cord. He can't have it both ways as head coach and it's a world cup year next year.

The Larham, Cheika, and Foley setup could be really good.

 

[Wilson]

I think his point is that if he is both the Tahs coach and Wallaby coach at the same time then that could be an issue. I agree. Cheika is the best option we have at present but he needs to cut the Waratah umbilical cord. He can't have it both ways as head coach and it's a world cup year next year.

The Larham, Cheika, and Foley setup could be really good.

The other provincial coaches involved should help to balance things out overall but I'd prefer if it wasn't a stint with the wallabies before going back to the provinces. Generally I'm not to worried about Chieka's character, I haven't agreed with all his decisions but they were did appear to be made with the Tahs best interest at heart. If he takes that attitude to the wallabies (Acting in the best interests of Australian Rugby) it shouldn't be a problem.

That's all assuming Beale is gone, if he moves to keep Beale actively involved in the game then he's pretty clearly not the man for the job.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I think his point is that if he is both the Tahs coach and Wallaby coach at the same time then that could be an issue. I agree. Cheika is the best option we have at present but he needs to cut the Waratah umbilical cord. He can't have it both ways as head coach and it's a world cup year next year.

The Larham, Cheika, and Foley setup could be really good.

There's just a chance that the Tahs letting Cheika coach the Wallabies is the Tahs putting their interests second so that Australian rugby can have the best available person for the job.
Petty provincialism needs to take a back seat to getting this frigging show heading back towards the road if not actually on it.
The Tahs rightly complain that given the time of year they will not readily replace him. If they don't release him then Australian rugby just takes another hit.
Some care needs to be taken in relation to recruiting because, already, we see the Randwick Recruiting Model (TM) that marked Dwyer's tenure with the Wallabies being employed with the Tahs.

 

[Train Without a Station]

IS, there's already talk of Cheika apparently attempting to save Beale. Rumors were swirling that part of a rift between Cheika and McKenzie was that McKenzie didn't value Douglas enough to offer him an ARU contract that would have kept him at the Tahs.

My money is on the petty provincialism having only just begun.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

IS, there's already talk of Cheika apparently attempting to save Beale. Rumors were swirling that part of a rift between Cheika and McKenzie was that McKenzie didn't value Douglas enough to offer him an ARU contract that would have kept him at the Tahs.

My money is on the petty provincialism having only just begun.

I know.
Cheika will lose me if he goes down that path - for whatever purpose (i.e. whether its to save KB (Kurtley Beale) or to appease the senior players)

 

[No4918]

There's just a chance that the Tahs letting Cheika coach the Wallabies is the Tahs putting their interests second so that Australian rugby can have the best available person for the job.
Petty provincialism needs to take a back seat to getting this frigging show heading back towards the road if not actually on it.
The Tahs rightly complain that given the time of year they will not readily replace him. If they don't release him then Australian rugby just takes another hit.
Some care needs to be taken in relation to recruiting because, already, we see the Randwick Recruiting Model (TM) that marked Dwyer's tenure with the Wallabies being employed with the Tahs.

I agree that provincialism should be put aside. The situation and game is so far up the creek that whatever needs to be done can. The only thing I will not cop is Cheika getting Beale off the hook.

I don't agree that the Tahs letting Cheika coach both sides is them helping out the Wallabies. It takes a massive effort to coach the national team. Getting to as many Super Rugby games as possible and the planning that goes with it. If the Tahs are serious about letting him go in the national interest they will accept a moderate pay out and find a new coach next year.

 

[Colin Windon]

For the first time in a long time the back and inside back of the Telegraph is filled with generally positive news with the impending appointment of Cheika.

Already on this forum we have the usual cries of provincialism and rifts.

Come on fella's get behind your team, if even for a few weeks, and lets see what plays out on the EOYT.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

There are so many miserable people out there in Rugbydom peddling petty provincial partisan parochialism, that they would complain that the Muslims and Buddhists weren't getting a fair go if Sister Mary McKillop and Archbishop Tutu were appointed as selectors.

 

[Train Without a Station]

I know.
Cheika will lose me if he goes down that path - for whatever purpose (i.e. whether its to save KB (Kurtley Beale) or to appease the senior players)

I don't mean to doubt Cheika's integrity. Certainly doesn't come across as lacking in that department.

But at the end of the day if it's a 50/50 call, which way do you think he will go? As I said, there was already howls of NSW bias for years. This would only intensify it.

 

[Paradox]

IS, there's already talk of Cheika apparently attempting to save Beale. Rumors were swirling that part of a rift between Cheika and McKenzie was that McKenzie didn't value Douglas enough to offer him an ARU contract that would have kept him at the Tahs.

My money is on the petty provincialism having only just begun.

Train, I really hope you're wrong. If Beale is "saved", I will be completely disillusioned. He's simply got to go. Douglas had his chance in Wallaby gold and didn't have any impact.

 

[Train Without a Station]

For the good of Australian rugby, let's hope both rumors are just that.

 

[Muglair]

We are all human beings and tribalism goes with our territories. Apparently even IS harbours suspicions about what goes on south of Bronte Road. And well he should!

The ARU's mission (which could be argued they did not accept) is to manage the competing interests to the common good. Again we need to look across the Tasman. Surely we can't seriously think there is no petty provincialism between Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin. While having no specific knowledge of the good burghers of Hamilton I do note that they believe the ringing of cowbells is a high end form of communication.

The NZRU seems to manage to keep the whole flock moving towards the slaughter yard without too much difficulty ( or so they make it appear). THat would also be a huge contributor to the standards of the playing group. None of the coaches should be shouldering all of the responsibility for this, and to an extent problems with the playing group reflect problems and a lack of discipline and focus elsewhere.

The provinces pulling together with the ARU establish a different coaching model in the long term interests of all is to be applauded. I am hopeful.

Of course this all may just be rumour .....

 

[Scrubber2050]

Cheika is no dill. He will pick the best. He wants to win. He will instill a stronger "culture".
Some credibility would go if he saves KB (Kurtley Beale). Bloke should be gone. Clean slate and lets move on.

Am sure Hooper will be saved (as Captain) awaiting the return of Mr Moore

 

[Viking]

Cheika as coach. I have so many questions I want answered.
What is his veiw on Simmons & Carter.
Is Cooper his first choice 10.
What's his view on To'omua at 12.
Will he bring some NSW bias, does he want Kurtley back. Will he favour players like Robinson, Palu, Horne, Foley.

 

[Muglair]

Why does everyone have to keep threatening to walk the plank or move to Tasmania over Beale. Surely people cannot be questioning the process here. It may have been late, mismanaged and poorly communicated but it does look to be thorough.

Much as I would hate to see Beale go, surely this will have to be managed on its merits. Like Zac Guildford Beale seems to be the special case, but like Zac would appear to have reached the end of the road.

If he is to stay then there will have to be a great reason and it will need to be fully disclosed, no matter how unpleasant that may be. I just can't see that Cheika wanting him is going to cut it. Not disclosing the reasons for retaining him will look like it was Cheika, which will not cut it either.

As previously predicted no one is going to end up winning here.

 

[Colin Windon]

I just don't get it. I played the other game as a junior and discovered Union in my twenties. The whole union "vibe" and the people around it where more inclusive and way more fun. After a game we had a beer and relived the ruck scars and scything runs.

Geez I wish some of the death riders and province junkies could let it go even for while and get behind their team.

The team played outstandingly last week and was only taken down in the last minute by the worlds best side. Disappointing but not the end of the world.

The coach hasn't even been appointed and already the crap has started.

 

[TahDan]

I think his point is that if he is both the Tahs coach and Wallaby coach at the same time then that could be an issue. I agree. Cheika is the best option we have at present but he needs to cut the Waratah umbilical cord. He can't have it both ways as head coach and it's a world cup year next year.

The Larham, Cheika, and Foley setup could be really good.

With the ARU caught short and keen to have him above anyone else, they don't seem to be in much of a bargaining position. As for COI concerns in general, structurally the ARU shouldn't allow this, but for case called for desperate measures and I have every confidence Cheika will remain dispassionate and demarcate between the roles.

 

[LRB]

Hmmm my support to Cheika will rest on first steps as Wallaby coach, does he publicly support Beale and similar to TWAS there was a MSM report re: his intent to keep Beale. In my opinion I think that he will not discipline the senior players that contributed to McKenzies resignation as he will have to work with them again for the Super Rugby season.

This will reinforce the perception of bias for Australian rugby supporters outside of NSW. As other posters have said the divisiveness of this entire episode will continue for some time.