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Next Wallabies Coach.

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Stan Wickham (3)
The other question that I feel remains unanswered is in the event that Michael Cheika is formally appointed as Wallabies coach, how long was the due diligence for this decision to be made? For this to occur there would have been a process that occurred prior to Ewen's departure or the ARU has decided that Cheika is the right fit some two days afterwards. Although I don't like the implications of option A, I would feel a damn sight better if this were the case rather than what seems to be an impulsive decision. Now Michael Cheika may prove to be the right man for the job, but like several things the ARU has done I question their process.
 

Ulrich

Nev Cottrell (35)
Simmering down somewhat from the suggestion of Jake coaching us, here's how I see it (and therefore, pretty much how it is):

Jakeball allowed the Brumbies to turn around their shitty situation very well. It required good kickers, high levels of fitness and defense, and a technically excellent forward pack with its head screwed on at set piece time.

It still allows for freedom of expression in good players, but for a longer tournament like Super Rugby, its very difficult to sustain because of the attrition rate you're bound to encounter. The Brumbies showed that when it came down to the crunch, they weren't good enough to pull off the last win, either through inexperience against the Reds in 2012 or through fatigue - aggravated by the travel from South Africa to beat the Bulls.

It helped that the Brumbies had what Jakeball needs in terms of backs - a few guys with big boots, big units who can make gain line, and some wingers with a bit of toe.

The key things in both years was that Jakeball didn't deliver the Brumbies a top 2 spot, in a game plan that ultimately asks you to win every game by 1 point as a minimum. This is a key thing, as its not like they were short on talent.

Jakeball COULD work in a short tournament like RWC, where the attrition isn't such a big factor, but if your forwards can't dominate, you're not going to get a lot of change out of it.

Laurie Fisher is gone of course, which is the real shame.
Yours is one of the few reasonings that make sense.
 
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daz

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Let's put the saucepan onto simmer, people. No need to get hot under the collar.
 
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Train Without a Station

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The other question that I feel remains unanswered is in the event that Michael Cheika is formally appointed as Wallabies coach, how long was the due diligence for this decision to be made? For this to occur there would have been a process that occurred prior to Ewen's departure or the ARU has decided that Cheika is the right fit some two days afterwards. Although I don't like the implications of option A, I would feel a damn sight better if this were the case rather than what seems to be an impulsive decision. Now Michael Cheika may prove to be the right man for the job, but like several things the ARU has done I question their process.


I don't think it's fair to critique the ARU's appointment here if true for these reasons.

A coach's results are in the public domain. They are hired based on that record alone generally.

They can't delay the tour and next year is an important year so they needed to act swiftly.
 

Lorenzo

Colin Windon (37)
Jakeball also relies on having a dominant forward pack.

You seem to be suggesting that Jakeball has allowed average teams to beat sides much better than them on a regular basis. I fail to see where this has happened.


Still waiting for you to point where I said anything remotely like this, "mate".
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
i watched some good Jake Ball on Sunday evening.
bruising and effective it was.
the Scarlets played him at number 4 against Toulon.
23 years of age, 121 kg 198 cm.
big bloke, seems to have a bit (no, a lot) of mongrel about him.
good lineout forward, heap of tackles, hit lots of rucks.
gave not an inch and obviously earned the respect of Bakkies and Ali.

who let this poachee be repoached back to Yurope?
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Announcement looks like it will be tomorrow. They're leaving on Friday and JEM in on Thursday, I'll guess the squad is announced then too.

who let this poachee be repoached back to Yurope?


Who else? Richard Graham!
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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Still waiting for you to point where I said anything remotely like this, "mate".

You keep saying that any option other than Jake White leads to mediocrity.

Surely that implies that Jake White will produce more wins for the same team than a different coach.
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
Sunday i watched Montpellier and Toulouse.
Mowen went well.

Sitaleki Timani went well.
still can't catch a ball but gets lots of respect from his opponents.
like to see him in gold.
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
Announcement looks like it will be tomorrow. They're leaving on Friday and JEM in on Thursday, I'll guess the squad is announced then too.


Who else? Richard Graham!

life ban for that man!
not you - H-I-M
gee, the boy can play.
he was up against a test quality pack and finished on top in a beaten team.
give TGC two years with him and the boy would be a megastar.
 
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Train Without a Station

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i watched some good Jake Ball on Sunday evening.
bruising and effective it was.
the Scarlets played him at number 4 against Toulon.
23 years of age, 121 kg 198 cm.
big bloke, seems to have a bit (no, a lot) of mongrel about him.
good lineout forward, heap of tackles, hit lots of rucks.
gave not an inch and obviously earned the respect of Bakkies and Ali.

who let this poachee be repoached back to Yurope?


????
 

Lorenzo

Colin Windon (37)
You keep saying that any option other than Jake White leads to mediocrity.

Surely that implies that Jake White will produce more wins for the same team than a different coach.


I never said anything of the sort.

I said you seem happy with mediocrity because you're frightened that the alternative won't be "entertaining".

You're part of the problem.
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
Announcement looks like it will be tomorrow. They're leaving on Friday and JEM in on Thursday, I'll guess the squad is announced then too.

Who else? Richard Graham!

Mate, Yurope is the playing home of Sitaleki Timani, Jake Ball and (soon) Kane Douglas.
there is a lot in common to those three.

which would you prefer:
Option 1. Horwill, Carter, Simmons
Option 2. Timani, Douglas, Ball
 
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Train Without a Station

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Lorenzo. Go back and look at the Waratahs since Link left.
 
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Train Without a Station

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Mate, Yurope is the playing home of Sitaleki Timani, Jake Ball and (soon) Kane Douglas.
there is a lot in common to those three.

which would you prefer:
Option 1. Horwill, Carter, Simmons
Option 2. Timani, Douglas, Ball


Well I know with option 2 you wouldn't want too many line outs.
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
Lorenzo. Go back and look at the Waratahs since Link left.


i am guessing that the three teams that The Coach "left" (Tahs, Stade Francaise, Reds) all burned after he had gone.
i am not suggesting that The Coach crashed those teams, just that they burned.
let's hope the same fate doesn't await the Wallabies.
 
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