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NSW AAGPS 2019

Discussion in 'Schoolboy Rugby' started by SonnyDillWilliams, Aug 20, 2018.

  1. Johnny come lately Jimmy Flynn (14)

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    “Newington

    Newington did not field a team in the 3rd XV competition this year, and as Quick Hands has pointed out it was largely due to the reduction of 1st XV and 2nd XV competitions to a single round, and to a lesser extent due to fewer Newington Open teams playing.

    This is a huge shame in my opinion. It appears that Newington 3rd XV played 5th XV teams from many other schools and I believe the 3rd XV comp would be greatly enhanced by having Newington play in it.”

    Annnd let me guess. New won the 5th XV comp?
  2. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    There's no such think as a 5ths comp. And they play other school's 4ths because TAS 1sts play in the Newington spot in the 3rds. TAS 2nds play other school's 5ths.

    And there's no 4ths comp either.

    Joeys were one of the main proponents of changes introduced because they didn't want their 3rds going to Armidale and they found it was more difficult to arrange multiple buses to different venues because they had many more teams than Newington. (See discussion on the thread the year before the reversion to a one round competition)

    You've made an assumption that the change was (a) requested by Newington and (b) is of some advantage to Newington when neither is correct. In fact having to play other school's 4ths is a huge disadvantage for the Newington 2nds because reserves and players moving up to cover injury go from playing against 4th teams to playing against 2nds teams which is a huge jump.

    If Newington play 3rds, then other things have to change as well. And it would a significant number of unmatched fixtures for Joeys and Riverview in particular and introduce a bye into the 3rds competition or one of TAS, Grammar or High would have to leave the 3rds competition. A 9 week 3rds competition doesn't work with a 5 week 1sts competition, it only works with a 10 week two round firsts competition.
  3. ItsNotPink Herbert Moran (7)

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    Thanks for the explanation Quick Hands. I did not realise that it was so complex but it only illustrates the difficulty in making the competitions work for all GPS schools in all grades.
  4. Johnny come lately Jimmy Flynn (14)

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    I beg to differ. At least at Joeys, each team is playing for a pennant if they are undefeated.

    When, for example, Newington skip 3rds and 4ths and as a result their real 3rds are playing 5ths it distorts that playing level.

    Fair enough there is not a shield or a title to each competition level but tell that to the boys that train and play for an undefeated pennant but are effectively robbed when things like this happen.
  5. Black & White Bob Loudon (25)

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    Hello Johnny Come Lately

    This predicament is also due the fact that Newington has a small boarding house, so they have to rely on day boys to field teams. In year 12 the long ravel, tends to discourage participation in Rugby together within the background of the HSC or the IB. Additionally, soccer and now Aussie Rules take their share of potential rugby players.

    I believe Newington Rugby when you consider the obstacles it faces, does a very good job of fielding the teams it does.
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  6. Quick Hands David Wilson (68)

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    I'm not sure if you're trying to be deliberately provocative or you're just not reading what I'm typing. I've typed it at least three times, so I'll put it in block capitals this time so you get it.

    NEWINGTON 3RDS DO NOT PLAY 5THS - THEY PLAY 4THS.

    TAS 1STS PLAY IN THE 3RDS SLOT WHEN NEWINGTON PLAY THAT SCHOOL

    TAS 2NDS PLAY THE OTHER SCHOOL'S 5THS

    IT'S NOT A NEWINGTON DECISION IT'S AN AAGPS DECISION.

    IT'S PART OF THE COMPLEX ARRANGEMENTS WHICH ALLOW TAS, HIGH AND GRAMMAR TO PLAY THEIR 1STS TEAMS IN THE 3RDS COMPETITION

    IF NEWINGTON PLAY IN THE 3RDS THEN ONE OF THOSE SCHOOLS HAVE TO LEAVE THE 3RDS.

    JOEYS PUSHED THIS ARRANGEMENT SO THAT THEIR TEAMS DIDN'T HAVE TO FIND SO MANY UNMATCHED FIXTURES

    EDIT: Your memory seems a little faulty on this. I'll refer you back to one of the discussions on the issue way back in 2017. You'll even find an entry of yours on the page in question.;)

    http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/community/threads/nsw-aagps-2017.17032/page-62#post-933276

    Strange that you don't seem to have a problem with your 3rds team playing a 1sts team, but you have a problem with a 3rds team playing your 4ths.
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  7. Johnny come lately Jimmy Flynn (14)

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    You are quite right, i don’t have a problem with a team playing up, if they are up to it and its safe.

    I do have an issue with a team from a school that is competitive playing down, particularly if its gives them an advantage. The GPS has been rife with this over the years.

    As for the rest of your rant, Don’t drink and post is my advice.
  8. Kenny Powers Ted Thorn (20)

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    Lets deal with available facts according to Joeys twitter feed, the Newington / Joeys round saw

    Joeys 3rds played Shore won 26 -10

    Joeys 4ths played St Pats 1st and won 15 -10

    Joeys 5ths played Newington 3rd and lost 12 - 26

    Joeys 7ths played Newington 4ths and won 24-21

    What we don't know is did the Joey's sports master take the St Pat's game in preference to sending the Joeys 4ths to Newington, was there some obligation to play St Pat's.?

    Regardless games were competitive, boys got to run around and have a game of rugby, so well done to the administrators of all schools on the playing arrangement they are achieved this objective rather than the vainglorious goal of an 'undefeated pennant'.

    An undefeated pennant outside of the top 1 or 2 graded teams in an age group is a concept about 25 years past it's used by date given the relative playing numbers between schools.

    Getting a game is great, being competitive even better, boys enjoying their rugby and wanting to play on after school this would be the ultimate goal for school rugby administrators. Vainglorious parents and their undefeated pennants would not be on the agenda for these school rugby administrators unless they wanted to ruin their professional reputation.
  9. Johnny come lately Jimmy Flynn (14)

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    ‘Joeys 5ths played Newington 3rd and lost 12 - 26’. Higher team plays down, wins and takes genuine teams chance of undef away. Its just not cool, sorry.

    So now we promote competitions where its about ‘getting a run’ over the ability to win?

    Sure, winning isn’t everything but sheesh. Lets remove scorelines then and just play a game for ‘fun’ with no winner or loser but ‘everyone is a winner’..

    Get real.
  10. RogerScots82 Stan Wickham (3)

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  11. ItsNotPink Herbert Moran (7)

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    Great highlights reel RogerScots82.
    This is exactly what I was talking about.
    How good is the Scots fullback!
    And some great tries from the winger.
    Great rugby all round.
  12. RogerScots82 Stan Wickham (3)

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    yeah some quality players, from what i heard the 15 'pulled a jack Maddocks' after playing firsts and seconds in yr 11 he chose to drop down to thirds.
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  13. Simmo1990 Frank Row (1)

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    I Didn't get to contribute much through the season but was a very keen follower of this thread. I got back down from the Central Coast to watch the last game Vs Scots and what a brutal encounter. I thought the forwards for Joeys again dominated the Scots forwards and every time the Scots backs got the ball they looked like they wanted to score every play. Joeys were very patient even in the backline (they weren't that patient in the game I saw them against Riverview). Again I thought the backline were sublime for Joeys..The 10 was again outstanding as were the rest of the backs from him. I still think the 9 for Joeys got to the breakdown very quickly and gave good ball for the backs to run on from there. My mates son said there were a lot of the Joeys first 15 in year 11 this year and watching the 2nd's they also look very dominant. Looks like some successful years ahead for the Joeys school...Bring on 2020, I plan to get to more games next season (I'm hooked) and contribute more...Now bring on the World Cup!
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  14. Joker Arch Winning (36)

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    This is a rare photo of all three teams winning the championship (undefeated).
    Last time this happened was 1957

    [IMG]
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  15. formerflanker John Solomon (38)

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    A proud moment for all concerned.
    I'm sure many a pool room will see this hanging from a wall.
  16. ItsNotPink Herbert Moran (7)

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    I've already got a spot on the wall.
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  17. FootyGuy Frank Row (1)

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    There will be a few backing up but mainly in the forwards. There is only the fullback Dowling, in year 11 from the Joeys Firsts backline. This will be the big test as the Joeys backline was the difference in my opinion over the other teams.

    BTW does anyone know when the Aussie Schoolboys and Barbarian teams get selected?
  18. D'Lite Full Allen Oxlade (6)

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