Discussion in 'Schoolboy Rugby' started by Lee Grant, Oct 22, 2010.
Not by agreement between the schools, only by some deciding to change the landscape
So the decision by a school to improve their competitiveness in a sport where they have not traditionally excelled needs the acquiescence of the other GPS members? lol
Is there some Leninist protocol that I've missed?
No Leninist protocol - just a gleeful abandonment of the GPS charter precluding sporting scholarships.
They're called the rules - they exist in all societies and in most competitions: you either play by them or you leave. You dont get to choose which ones you abide by and which ones you dont. There's nothing wrong with changing the landscape in your own backyard but when you decide you're going to make changes which either undermine adjoining properties or cause your property to overrun the adjoining one then you have problems.
I'd love to hear your definition of a "leninist protocol" - just for a laugh
Funny how anniversary years often deliver trinkets of gold . Riverview (centenary) 1980, Scots (centenary) 1993, Joey's (centenary of rugby) 1994 .
So how do you account for the other 50 odd premierships Joeys have won?
I've coached Jo boys who played in 1s 2s 3s. Maybe even below that. It's a while ago now (mid 80s).
All of them had an understanding of the game far in excess of their peers from other schools. They also had real passion for it and they, frankly, seemed to love it.
I'd played with them when I left school but until I coached them I never understood why they were so successful, I assumed they'd bought all those premierships.
Once I saw them from the point of view of getting into their heads about the game, as opposed to just being team mates, I discarded my assumption. Ever since I have revered that school for the respect it showed ths game when the game had no real status and it was amateur.
They were, to a man, a pleasure to coach.
Don't really see what that's got to do with my observation.
But to answer your question - Because they've always been bloody good !
100% boarding school until 1996, every Joeboy turned up to every training session. And then played scrag on the back ovals on those days when they didn't train. Don't forget the intraschool colour comp established by that old Terrace boy, Br Henry, in the 30s. Joeboys tell me they were the hardest games they ever played.
Joeboys played a lot more rugby than other schools, simple really.
Looking at the last 10-12 years they are not as dominant premiership wise as in previous decades.do you think the change from being a 100% boarder school to including day boys has contributed to this in any way?
2 parts to why their dominance has waned - 1 they are no longer 100% boarding. Like the Ella's playing backyard footy, the informal game (non practice day games) had to contribute to that higher "understanding" described previously. And then 2, other schools seeking to change the lanscape.
Yeah that's right - it's beginning coincided with the Kings Andrew Parry era and the arrival of Riverview as a cold, hard rugby machine. Newington and Scots have of late added the cream and strawberries to this meringue of raised bar magnificence.
Doubt Joey's will ever dominate as they once did (you know for decades at a time).
Its is interesting that, in the 70's, the SGS headmaster consistently told parents, and those old boys he bothered to speak to, that Grammar could never hope to compete in sport with the "large boarding schools". Joeys may be in the process of proving him right.
I think you'll find that Joeys still have one of the biggest boarding cohorts.
around 750 boarders, i think thats by far the biggest.
aye, no doubt, but once some of them are out in the community soaking up the 21st century its hard to keep the one's left behind entirely focussed on their rugby
Hope you're not insinuating something sinister there, View had only two blokes repeating in 6th form 1980 who played in the the Firsts, and one of them was in the 4ths the year before, and only one, the captain, from that team made the GPS 1sts that year. No new outsiders in that team, same with the 2nds who also won.
They won because of a great team spirit emanating from being solid mates with each other all thru these years with a very inspirational captain.
IIRC one of the team repeated along with a hooker from a school renown for being easy beats to a school that was determined not to have a repeat of what happened in 79
Give 'view a break - was that their first premiership?
And bloody luck y to win it as I recall - played the decider against SGS.as I recall
They're bloody hopeless at rowing over there at Grammar, just can't cut it against the "large boarding schools". :fishing
On rowing, Riverview and Joeys should always be the best two schools with their rowing sheds on or very close to their school grounds. For Grammar to win this year with the attendant travel across Sydney for every training session was a magnificent effort.
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