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NSW AAGPS Rugby 2016

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formerflanker

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Ken Catchpole (46)
Azzuri said:
As per the program:

GPS white coaches: Andy Connors (I) Ross Hopkins (I)
GPS Blue coaches: Greg Thompson (j) Tim Anderson (j)
GPS 2's coaches: Brian smith (s) Ed Brenac (s) Ed White (s)
GPS 1's coaches: Ben Manion (N) Mark Bell (N)
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The Newington 1st XV coaches are Bob Egerton and B Gill who must have other commitments. Anyone know which teams Ben Manion and Mark Bell coach at Newington?
Brian Smith and Ed Brenac coach Scots 1sts.
That's all I can add to the conversation.
 
Quick Hands

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David Wilson (68)
random2 said:
Agreed. If the coaches did decide the exclude Sheldon without his knowledge, which I am skeptical of, then that's very poor form. However if they believe the team functioned better with Wilkinson at 10 and that's how they trained then that's fair enough, they are the coaches and should be able to call
themselves.
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What they're supposed to do is train the team that they are given in the positions selected. If during the game things aren't working, then they have some latitude to make appropriate adjustments.

If never ceases to amaze me that men who think that they are such great rugby coaches, don't seem to want to work with what they have and try to improve each boy and mould a cohesive team. Yes, it's a short time frame, but you're dealing with boys who have mostly been playing in rep teams since they were 10. Show some faith in them and you might be surprised at what they can do.

Any boy picked in a rep team deserves the chance to prove he is worthy of the opportunity - not to have coaches employing dubious intuitions. This process isn't about how good the coaches are at predicting the future or winning games, it's about how boys perform at a higher level.
 
footy4life

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Chris McKivat (8)
formerflanker said:
The Newington 1st XV coaches are Bob Egerton and B Gill who must have other commitments. Anyone know which teams Ben Manion and Mark Bell coach at Newington?
Brian Smith and Ed Brenac coach Scots 1sts.
That's all I can add to the conversation.
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Ben Manion is the director of rugby at Newington and helps out with many teams sort of as a specialist coach. Brad Gill is coaching the NSW 1sts side.
 
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David Wilson (68)
formerflanker said:
The Newington 1st XV coaches are Bob Egerton and B Gill who must have other commitments. Anyone know which teams Ben Manion and Mark Bell coach at Newington?
Brian Smith and Ed Brenac coach Scots 1sts.
That's all I can add to the conversation.
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Manion is the director of rugby, but doesn't coach a team. Don't know what Bell's role is there, but he's not 2nds coach.
 
Inside Shoulder

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
random2 said:
I stand by what I saw 3 years ago which is the point I initially made. I never supported what the coaches apparently did, just simply believe that's not what happened. I don't have an agenda against Sheldon or Grammar either, in fact I'd rather see a Grammar boy at 10 for Schoolboys then from any other of the GPS schools I didn't attend.
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The trouble is that the point you initially made has been shown to be misconceived at best.
How did these 3 boys, the 10, the 8 and the 11 or 14 run plays that were orchestrated to deny 13 McCutcheon a fair go? Funny thing is that the white coaches were from SJC.
 
random2

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Johnnie Wallace (23)
Inside Shoulder said:
The trouble is that the point you initially made has been shown to be misconceived at best.
How did these 3 boys, the 10, the 8 and the 11 or 14 run plays that were orchestrated to deny 13 McCutcheon a fair go? Funny thing is that the white coaches were from SJC.
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the 10 instructed the winger to move to 13 and push the former 13 to wing on numerous occasions. The fact that they were Joeys coaches who were in fact running Joeys moves shows how bizarre it was that a boy who had been running those moves all year was pushed out of position so two mates could make each other look good. This is becoming borderline an attack on specific players so I'll leave it at that and it looks like we disagree on two issues then (fancy that, two people disagreeing on a forum!)

Other thing I am interested in is who the previously mentioned pacey Joeys 20 was. Whilst Day was the winger for 2s, Tse is the one who comes time when mentioning speed. I thought he was playing in the White/Blue game so if he got the call up for 1s he must have had a blinder, unless he was bought into the 2s side and I missed it. Also wondering who (if anyone) stood out in the 2s game
 
Inside Shoulder

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
random2 said:
the 10 instructed the winger to move to 13 and push the former 13 to wing on numerous occasions. The fact that they were Joeys coaches who were in fact running Joeys moves shows how bizarre it was that a boy who had been running those moves all year was pushed out of position so two mates could make each other look good. This is becoming borderline an attack on specific players so I'll leave it at that and it looks like we disagree on two issues then (fancy that, two people disagreeing on a forum!)
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Buddy you need to go back and read your first post on this topic. Every single fact you alleged has been proven to be wrong - I suspect you went and looked up the AAGPS team list for 2014 and put 2 and 2 together and came up with a cluster fuck.
Buried back in the early days of this thread is a Lee Grant post in which he recalls, correctly, that Sheldon was picked in white at 12. There was an injury and he went to Blue at 10. You either didn't know that or forgot it.
Where was the 12 in this imaginary chicanery?
 
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Chris McKivat (8)
Is there video footage of the GPS 1's game? ....showing the grammar 10 being shunted


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William88

William88

Syd Malcolm (24)
The best thing about today is that it wasn't the whitewash from previous years. It means the GPS boys showed they could work in a more difficult game which will reap selection rewards.
 
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Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Runpasstackle said:
As opposed to selectors??? Interesting then again doesn't support your argument I guess
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whatever the role of a selector and whatever the reward it is not to be usurped or second guessed by coaches - if, as a coach, you want control of your team don't coach scratch trial teams or become the sole selector.
Coaches, unlike anonymous selectors, can trumpet their victories and secure better paying jobs if they are permitted to win at all costs, even where their judgment is erroneous.
 
random2

random2

Johnnie Wallace (23)
Inside Shoulder said:
Buddy you need to go back and read your first post on this topic. Every single fact you alleged has been proven to be wrong - I suspect you went and looked up the AAGPS team list for 2014 and put 2 and 2 together and came up with a cluster fuck.
Buried back in the early days of this thread is a Lee Grant post in which he recalls, correctly, that Sheldon was picked in white at 12. There was an injury and he went to Blue at 10. You either didn't know that or forgot it.
Where was the 12 in this imaginary chicanery?
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I'm simply stating what I saw, two Grammar boys running moves they weren't trained to do. One was playing as a 10 (who I thought was Sheldon but may have been the other Grammar player) the other a winger. I'm obviously not as passionate about this is you are, but I know what I watched.
 
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How naive selectors use there success of the teams in all cv applications. Or to justify there current roles with certain schools trying to build credibility to their ailing rugby program
 
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