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NSW Schools - Trial Games and Selections 2013

Discussion in 'Schoolboy Rugby' started by Hugh Jarse, Apr 11, 2013.

  1. George Smith Ted Thorn (20)

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    and also this may compliment your discussion for team composition..

    What to look for in players
    When eligibility and the selection criteria have been established and the selectors have been identified, the selectors need to focus on their mission - to select the best players. The following points are suggested to outline the 'best' players.
    (i) Skill - individual position, unit, decision making.
    To identify the skill of a player, a 'knowledge of the game' is very important. There are various checklists that can be used to make an assessment off players. If used (in whatever form), it should be agreed and understood by the selectors.
    The selectors should look for the rugby specific individual skills that every player needs and then look at how they apply their skills to their respective positions, mini units, units, team. They should also display the relevant decision-making capabilities.
    (ii) Physical conditioning relative to rugby and specific positions.
    Selectors need to look at the physical conditioning of the players. To achieve a competitive standard of play, conditioning is a key ingredient. A general guide should be given and, where appropriate, benchmarks set for players to achieve. Consideration should be given for 'position specific' conditioning. For example, a front row forward will require different types of physical conditioning than a player on the wing.
    (iii) Attitude
    An attitude that encourages teamwork while achieving individual goals should be sought. However, the selectors need to outline the type of attitude they expect and how they can identify the type of attitude they are looking for. Selectors need to have the time and availability to watch trainings or matches and visit with coaches in order to recognise a worthwhile attitude.
    (iv) Fulfill the team pattern, game plan
    Can the player fulfill the team pattern? Is the player able to adjust to the game plan? This will be based primarily on the player's rugby skill and physical conditioning with their attitude being an underlying factor. An objective approach is good when determining if a player is able to fulfill the team pattern and game plan. The 'checklist' can help accomplish this approach. This allows the selector to present an unbiased report to a selection meeting on a player or players where it can then be subject to scrutiny.
    (v) Development v Achievement
    Most teams play to win. With this mentality it can often be difficult to work on the development of players to ensure a team can have a good player base and continue to be competitive from season to season
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  2. Wood Rat Alfred Walker (16)

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    this reflects the experiment of coaching or playing in pods. The seagulls never needed an excuse to not put their head in. Now its encouraged and 1,2 and 3 are rewarded for sea-gulling as well. With all teams trying to play in this mode, with limited contest at the breakdown, you only have to change the 2nd man in can't contest for the ball and you do have that other game. I know not having the pack chase from one side to the other is meant to conserve energy, but plenty are using it as a chance to not work.
    I watched the U/16 CCC v AICES match last Sunday and was disappoint to hear the ref call "stop pushing" without the scrum having moved (the team with the feed had the ball in the 2nd row and had come under a bit of pressure/started to lift). At this level of representative football at this age the rules are restricting the development of the scrum. further mimicking the other game.
  3. Hugie Ted Fahey (11)

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    George, this is good stuff as always.
    My view is that in rugby (as in most things) first you need to determine how you want your team to go about its business ie strategy. Are you going for a pod type strategy, a fatigue, 10 man rugby, Randwick run at all costs etc. Then take your checklist above and modify it to that strategy. For junior rep. rugby I think the rep. coach need to let the selectors (via checklist) and all the boys trying out, know what approach he/she is going for before the trials. AND let all the unsuccessful boys know that just because they weren't selected doesn't mean under another strategy or with different selectors they wouldn't be selected.

    The Cheshire Cat would no doubt point out to Alice "who the best player is very much depends on what your trying to achieve, my dear."
  4. George Smith Ted Thorn (20)

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    Your points are valid (as always) Hugie, the list posted is a checklist used by HPU and is applicable for JGS, NGS assessment along with other purposes.

    A rep coach, knowing his competition, will have formed his game plan on how he wants their team to play, afterwhich the cattle can then be selected to execute the game plan. However the coach & co selectors should have objective criteria to assess "what's in front of them" on candidates' trial performance. This way "line-ball" selections can be made as well as take out the "reputation" factor. Hopefully feedback can also be given to participants using the assessment observations.
  5. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    The ARU HPU list is no real secret. I think it was first in the public domain from the Irish (I think) via some IRB player development symposium.

    As George has said, it is a guide that can be further customised.

    The Hobbits have made their version of the list publicly available via the resource library section on their Juniors former Web site.
    Download this document "Selection Ranking by Position Skills Use this form to rate positional play during rep trials."
    http://southerndistricsjru.rugbynet.com.au/default.asp?type=library

    The above document has the criteria in a nice little spreadsheet format if anyone is interested.

    Edit: If the above sounds like I am being dismissive of [USER=8018]George Smith[/USER] for taking the time to post the list, that was not the intention. It was a previous dialogue I had with George a while ago that inspired me to google for the listing.
    My post is just to show that it is not ARU HPU "secret mens business" and where people can find the criteria in a user friendly format (if that tickles their fancy).
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  6. Newbie Bill McLean (32)

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    I was going to respond and try to explain myself, however I'm going stop digging this hole of mine because its fast turning into my grave!:p
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  7. Newbie Bill McLean (32)

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    Interesting dialouge between HJ and GS. Either way I personally know that rugby, as far as player development is concerned at the elite junior level, is streaks ahead of the evil cousin (both on and OFF the field).

    When it comes to skill levels there is no comparison. Admittedly the evil cousin always boasts better defence, but I ask you, how often do you now see in league 'one on one' defence? Minimal IMHO!
  8. Newbie Bill McLean (32)

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    Anyway I have organised for my day's business to conclude in Pmyble just after lunch, thus allowing me to go and watch my first game of elite junior rugby; CHS v GPS (go the sons of the working class . . .lol)! Anyone else going out?

    And on the following day I am going to watch the 'Irish' Lions hand Australia its rear end! the makings of a memorable weekend!

    I lo
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  9. Newbie Bill McLean (32)

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    Someone go grab Westlake for me! I need help to drink all this free alcohol in the Qantas club in Melbourne . . . lol
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  10. strokeside Larry Dwyer (12)

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    [quote="Newbie, post: 501688, member: 4768"

    quasi-conjugal [/quote]

    Is there such a thing, Google it, 2.23M results!!
    PS.the new avatar is freeking me out!
  11. Sideline Eye Darby Loudon (17)

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  12. Newbie Bill McLean (32)

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    Is there such a thing, Google it, 2.23M results!!
    PS.the new avatar is freeking me out![/quote]

    This was a conundrum for me to be honest. I didn't quite know how to say 'sheep shagger' without incurring the wrath of Lee Grant! So I tried to select words that word convey this message . . . lol.

    And I love my new avatar, especially the lower left quadrant . . . lol!
  13. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Is there such a thing, Google it, 2.23M results!!
    PS.the new avatar is freeking me out![/quote]


    Looks like Newbie and I are at Avatar War!:)
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  14. Newbie Bill McLean (32)

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    Plane is boarding. Adios, good noght and god bless. Free alcokoal and Irishmen is not a food combonation!
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  15. Newbie Bill McLean (32)

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    Looks like Newbie and I are at Avatar War!:)[/quote]

    I woild respond but QF462 is now boardong!
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  16. George Smith Ted Thorn (20)

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    thanks HJ and lets thank the author: Connell Byrne at CLB&A
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  17. Brian Westlake Arch Winning (36)

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    Newbs

    I have just got back to Sydney as well and am planning my weekend with maybe an optic at MMM vs Randwick Colts and then a quiet bev or 4 watching the wretched smelly unwashed from the British Isles v our finest gentlemen athletes. How did the boys go today?
  18. Top Cat Sydney Middleton (9)

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    I was once so brilliant at taking videos of the bugs on the ground and the clouds in the sky that that I would miss filming my boys especially when they were involved in the play or went over the chalk :rolleyes: . That has all been cured with a video camera with a viewfinder :). Now I just have to keep my mouth shut and then I don't have to do so much editing.

    Videos are great for reviewing the matches but it just makes me wonder even more how some players get selected and others don't.
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  19. Rugby Mum Watty Friend (18)

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    CAS win 77 to not much
    GPSIII 50 CCC 21
  20. Homer Bob McCowan (2)

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    Are both boys definately lost to Rugby? Wasn't Moarea in the youth 7s team last year? Also isn't Lussick sign to the mungoes as well?

    Maybe they are chasing some development that the ARU just can't support. Lutunipulu came out of school as one of the best centres in recent times and has since faded away in what there is of the ARU system.
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