Refereeing decisions
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Strewthcobber
Mark Ella (57)
3 issues at least.
Half the laws in the book include an intent provision, so we would just be swapping the refs opinion for the TMOs opinion and the TMO doesn't always have a better view.
Secondly, if we allow challenges what happens when a captains asks for a look at somone in the ruck with shoulders below hips or some equally technical but none the less illegal action that's currently managed in every ruck by the refs.
Thirdly, scrum penalty challenges will be hilarious.
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Dewald Nel
Cyril Towers (30)
Problem with a challenge is, it wouldn't have helped Scotland. We'll see the teams using it up before 70 minutes, like they do in cricket, with 50/50 decisions.
As said above though, Scotland also benefited from decisions in the match. The spotlight is only on it because it was the last lead change, right before the final whistle.
And the fact that Joubert ran off the field like a guilty fox. But I'm pretty sure he was told (muted for us) that he better GTFO of there because he may have been wrong. I'm sure he wouldn't have run off like that if he was told that he was 100% correct.
As said above though, Scotland also benefited from decisions in the match. The spotlight is only on it because it was the last lead change, right before the final whistle.
And the fact that Joubert ran off the field like a guilty fox. But I'm pretty sure he was told (muted for us) that he better GTFO of there because he may have been wrong. I'm sure he wouldn't have run off like that if he was told that he was 100% correct.
BaysideBird
Bill Watson (15)
I had a bad ref in 3rd XV school rugby once. Absolutelty shocking he was. Can I get World Rugby to review that game and publicly humiliate the referee involved? Can we make sure that no one will ever want to be a referee by throwing them under the bus everytime they get something wrong?
Dewald Nel
Cyril Towers (30)
If you instituted a system where the TMO reviewed all important decisions in the last 10 minutes then the Wallabies would have surely ended up with a penalty on the sequence of scrums that ended up with a Scottish free kick.
The first one the Scottish LHP stood up under pressure and the second he dropped his bind and collapsed.
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The first one the Scottish LHP stood up under pressure and the second he dropped his bind and collapsed.
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I like the concept of Kaplan's Kaptain's Khallenge but think it would end up being cynically used to rob dominant teams of momentum, and allow teams to catch their breath and regain their composure while the TMO (assisted by Joel Jutge and John Jeffrey) reviewed all 47 camera angles in ultra slo-mo frame by frame.
There are a lot less "moving parts" in Cricket and Tennis.
There are a lot less "moving parts" in Cricket and Tennis.
This, it will never work in a million years.
And how do you think it will affect the referee on the instance? Being challenged say a few times in the first half and being corrected every time, surely it wont work as a confidence boost and eventually referees start to go upstairs all the time to avoid being wrong.
That being said, how many international games have actually been decided by the ref? We can surely count them with one hand, so we are not actually facing a problem here. Usually its _the fans_ going behind a bad call when their team was shit on the day, or the opposition just plain better.
At the end of the day, luck and human factor will always be a part as long as there is 1 human being left on the field and a loosing team will always find the biggest reason for the loss from the mirror.
Teh Other Dave
Alan Cameron (40)
To go one step further, H. Jarse, I think it's a complete time sink.
Nusadan
Chilla Wilson (44)
mxyzptlk
Colin Windon (37)
So no more gate at the breakdown, but the tackler also can't go for the ball and has to retreat a meter after the tackle. That correct?
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Aboloshing the gate isn't so radical. The gate and the ability of the tackler only to come from any direction only came in about 10-15 years ago (after RWC 2003?). Prior to that players could approach the tackle from any direction as it was considered general play and had no offside lines.
I like the idea of a 1 metre offside line at rucks and mauls. Not so sure about introducing another definition "breakdown", which seems another opportunity for laws to be interpreted and penalties to follow.
Teh Other Dave
Alan Cameron (40)
Not sure I like the 1m line behind the last feet, though I guess the idea is to remove loiterers at the breakdown and nake the situation similar to line-outs - you're in the backline or in the T/R/M. Until someone works out thay all you need do is 'bind' to the side of the breakdown (like a breakaway), and suddenly you can defend the fringes in front of the gain line.
MonkeyBoy
Bill Watson (15)
Looks like they are trying clarify the "grey areas" of refereeing.
1 metre behind the last feet will be nice and tidy;
Entry is always subjective depending on where the whistle-blower is standing. My only concern is that making the tackler retire before having a crack will take a big element of competition out of the "breakdown" and competition at every phase has always been sacrosanct in union and is what really differentiates the game from league.
1 metre behind the last feet will be nice and tidy;
Entry is always subjective depending on where the whistle-blower is standing. My only concern is that making the tackler retire before having a crack will take a big element of competition out of the "breakdown" and competition at every phase has always been sacrosanct in union and is what really differentiates the game from league.
waiopehu oldboy
Stirling Mortlock (74)
Word on the street here in NZ is that was the final straw for McCaw: "what y'all mean no fuckin' gate? Cnuts can come in from any whichway they like? Fuck that, I'm out, gotta movie to work on". Truth.
2bluesfan
Nev Cottrell (35)
Contender for post of the year.Word on the street here in NZ is that was the final straw for McCaw: "what y'all mean no fuckin' gate? Cnuts can come in from any whichway they like? Fuck that, I'm out, gotta movie to work on". Truth.
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
The TMO is reverting back to 2013 protocols for Super Rugby and the Currie Cup, meaning they can now only rule on the act of scoring a try and foul play...........
They can no longer review the phases leading up to a try.........
http://www.rugby365.com/laws-referees/70795-tmos-revert-to-2013-protocols
They can no longer review the phases leading up to a try.........
http://www.rugby365.com/laws-referees/70795-tmos-revert-to-2013-protocols
yourmatesam
Desmond Connor (43)
Not decision related, but just wanted to put a mention out there for Will Houston. Watched him referee the Brumbies v Horrortahs in Wagga last weekend and watched the live feed back again during the week. He's a great find for the ARU and should scale the heights of world rugby. His competition with Angus Gardner will be good to see how these guys fair.