Round 4: Lions v Reds, Sun 19 March @ 1:15am AEST Ellis Park, Johannesberg

PaarlBok · Mar 20, 2017

I am with Ulrich on this one. To much out of refs even AR? What about players playing to the ref? That's basics in rugby coach at primary school in SA. Play to the vokken whistle, how difficult is that?

cyclopath · Mar 20, 2017

Braveheart81 said:
The smart fans complain about the ref when their team wins.

Then you can go off with both barrels (Shiggins style) when your team loses and claim that you're consistent and don't just do it when your team loses.

I like how you've ascribed so much cunning to Shiggins' plan.

No4918 · Mar 20, 2017

When is QCs hearing?

Braveheart81 · Mar 20, 2017

cyclopath said:
I like how you've ascribed so much cunning to Shiggins' plan.

On the contrary. I'm saying that if you criticise when you win you can go off like Shiggins when you lose without sounding fully cooked.

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cyclopath · Mar 20, 2017

Braveheart81 said:
On the contrary. I'm saying that if you criticise when you win you can go off like Shiggins when you lose without sounding fully cooked.

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Careful, or I will:-
a) Involve you in a signature / avatar bet
b) Ban you for egregious oxymoron use.

Braveheart81 · Mar 20, 2017

cyclopath said:
Careful, or I will:-
a) Involve you in a signature / avatar bet
.

What? Are you going to add a second Waratahs logo to my profile?

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cyclopath · Mar 20, 2017

Braveheart81 said:
What? Are you going to add a second Waratahs logo to my profile?

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Me? No. But I might bring in a consultant from, say, The Pitcairns, for a revamp.

Ulrich · Mar 21, 2017

The Reds' coach at least seems to appreciate that building takes a little time. Seems Ackerman might accept the offer from Gloucester.

Blue · Mar 21, 2017

Ackerman gone by all accounts. That's a disaster for The Lions and South African rugby. He is the ONLY world-class coach currently coaching in South Africa. Most are unproven (du Preez) or pretenders (Fleck, Marais).

All just adds to the rapid decline of SA rugby.

Dan54 · Mar 21, 2017

PaarlBok said:
I am with Ulrich on this one. To much out of refs even AR? What about players playing to the ref? That's basics in rugby coach at primary school in SA. Play to the vokken whistle, how difficult is that?

Actually PaarlB, I was discussing the very same thing with a mate on weekend, said mate coaches a Prem colts team here in Qld, and has a pretty large polynesian player base, as he said he has got it into his player's heads that many refs perhaps look at them and think well we know how you lot play etc etc, so he just says if you think the ref is hard on you, be extra polite, and sir ,please etc etc are words I expect to hear when you talking to ref, even off the field, in other words YOU change the refs opinion, and don't expect them to change without you proving them wrong.
In other words play the ref!!!

PaarlBok · Mar 21, 2017

Blue said:
Ackerman gone by all accounts. That's a disaster for The Lions and South African rugby. He is the ONLY world-class coach currently coaching in South Africa. Most are unproven (du Preez) or pretenders (Fleck, Marais).

All just adds to the rapid decline of SA rugby.

Decline of SA rugby? You should support Aus rugby. It's closer to you

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Blue · Mar 21, 2017

PaarlBok said:
Decline of SA rugby? You should support Aus rugby. It's closer to you

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Now Paarl. You need to grow some thinking flaps.

Why would one swap one shit, fucked up, self serving, incompetent, delusional, naval gazing, self-obsessed, inward focused, politically motivated, poorly administered, low crowd-numbered, badly marketed and out of touch with reality system for another?

The only thing I would gain if I swapped is one that is not corrupt and racist. Nah, still not worth it.

On that note though. You should support Zimbabwe. At least you don't have to wonder where it's going. It's already there. Certainty and all that. Shortcut.

liquor box · Mar 21, 2017

Scrubber2050 said:
I reckon, to be fair, nearly all supporters of a losing team often "blame" the referee. Don't think I've ever heard a supporter of the winning team say that the ref was shit.

Refs aren't perfect - they often DO make mistakes - thankfully it is fairly rare that the Refs shit decision determines the outcome of a game but it can cause a momentum shift.

Refs are fair game to all followers of the game

How dare you think I would blame a referee, I only blame his decisions....he might actually be a nice guy

PaarlBok · Mar 21, 2017

Blue said:
Now Paarl. You need to grow some thinking flaps.

Why would one swap one shit, fucked up, self serving, incompetent, delusional, naval gazing, self-obsessed, inward focused, politically motivated, poorly administered, low crowd-numbered, badly marketed and out of touch with reality system for another?

The only thing I would gain if I swapped is one that is not corrupt and racist. Nah, still not worth it.

On that note though. You should support Zimbabwe. At least you don't have to wonder where it's going. It's already there. Certainty and all that. Shortcut.

Stick with the Tahs Boet, they have blue shirts, have a flower and need chicken runner support. SA don't need supporters like you.

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Blue · Mar 22, 2017

PaarlBok said:
Stick with the Tahs Boet, they have blue shirts, have a flower and need chicken runner support. SA don't need supporters like you.

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Delusion is dangerous. You need to get that checked.

Sully · Mar 22, 2017

PaarlBok said:
chicken runner

If this means someone is a coward for leaving South Africa it's not appropriate on this forum and I expect to never see it again.

wamberal · Mar 22, 2017

Dan54 said:
Actually PaarlB, I was discussing the very same thing with a mate on weekend, said mate coaches a Prem colts team here in Qld, and has a pretty large polynesian player base, as he said he has got it into his player's heads that many refs perhaps look at them and think well we know how you lot play etc etc, so he just says if you think the ref is hard on you, be extra polite, and sir ,please etc etc are words I expect to hear when you talking to ref, even off the field, in other words YOU change the refs opinion, and don't expect them to change without you proving them wrong.
In other words play the ref!!!

Manage the ref is a better term, that's what Richie was an absolute master of. The bugger.

PaarlBok · Mar 22, 2017

Blue said:
Delusion is dangerous. You need to get that checked.

Have you watched the Proteas lately. If you did , you are the delusion chicken runner. Do you think players like Rabada, Bavuma and Maharaj would be discovery of cricket followed the way your hero, Heyneke Meyer distroyed our rugby with selecting white old age homers like Matfield, Burger and JdV? AC have to start with nothing, vokol. You obvious have no knowledge about SA rugby structures.

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The torpedo · Mar 22, 2017

Paarl, Blue, rule 10

Scrubber2050 · Mar 22, 2017

That's counting to double figures, Big ask for some

Round 4: Lions v Reds, Sun 19 March @ 1:15am AEST Ellis Park, Johannesberg

Rod McCall (65)

George Smith (75)

John Hipwell (52)

Will Genia (78)

George Smith (75)

Will Genia (78)

George Smith (75)

Nev Cottrell (35)

Andrew Slack (58)

Tim Horan (67)

Rod McCall (65)

Andrew Slack (58)

Greg Davis (50)

Rod McCall (65)

Andrew Slack (58)

Tim Horan (67)

Phil Kearns (64)

Rod McCall (65)

Peter Fenwicke (45)

Mark Ella (57)