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Shute Shield 2014

Discussion in 'Shute Shield' started by Hugh Jarse, Sep 14, 2013.

  1. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Sorry, I should have been clearer.

    I was querying whether the salary costs could have been the referees. I'm guessing from your response that they're not and referee costs are listed separately.

    Without more money to have more referee training, how do you make them better?

    Refereeing should generally reflect the professionalism of the competition (because it should receive about the same attention as the playing/coaching/everything else).
  2. Stands Jimmy Flynn (14)

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    Or is it that most of the Super players didn't come back? Thanks to the NRC?
  3. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Not really to do with the NRC. Probably more players involved in the Wallabies such as Phipps, Foley, Skelton.

    The Tahs winning Super Rugby also meant that more players weren't available to uni earlier in the finals.
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  4. scaraby Ron Walden (29)

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    you got enough good players Dave leave us some :)
  5. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    The Corporation also have a few of their number at The Rebels.

    With TT policy of having the Rebels contracted players playing locally, these were not able to bolster the ranks of The Buildcorps.
  6. couldabeen Alfred Walker (16)

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    Super Rugby and Wallaby selections are a bloody conspiracy against us! ;)
    It was good to read all your comments and thoughts, keeping me in touch from a distance. Thanks everyone. Next year.
    Wazza2013, boyo and It is what it is like this.
  7. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    @Bruce Ross, (or any other Uni aligned Gaggerlander), Are you out there?

    Do you know what the project timeline is for the redevelopment of University Oval #2 for rectangular sports fixtures?

    As beautiful a setting as Uni#1 oval is, with that bloody cricket pitch in the middle, "ovalness" of the ground, and location of the Grandstand (not to mention parking) it leaves a lot to be desired as a rugby venue. Credit where it is due, it does have very good lighting for night matches.

    The proposal for #2 Oval development sounds exciting.
  8. Yikes Stan Wickham (3)

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    Yes, SRU subsidises them, but I already mentioned them both. So if you want to include them as SRU employees, fine. Now: who are the NSWRU employees, then!!? The point I was making stands - these are not organisations with anything more than a couple of people total and the general expectations of the NSW rugby community are unreasonable given this fact.
    Ummm. no they don't. The bill for SRU referees is around $40k, as referees for all grades except Shute Shield are paid the princely sum of $25. You may be adding in the cost of communications equipment and/or jerseys, etc., or mixing up NSWRU and SRU (as I believe NSWRU has also covered the cost of Suburban Rugby's referees at the same fee).

    I think given the standard of play and spectator behaviour witnessed this year, the referees are entitled to ask whether the $25 they are getting is fair.

    Feel free to suggest SRU run without referees next season.
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  9. Dave Beat Paul McLean (56)

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    I would love the whole game;
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  10. BellyTwoBlues Guest

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    Don't be so sure he's know better than you!!

    None of those players, great they were, ever won the Rothmans. Tony Melrose was 18 when we won the SS in '77 and I believe captined the club the following year. Remarkable. Wouldn't happen today. Most 18/19 year olds these days are still in nappies emotionally.
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  11. BellyTwoBlues Guest

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    A couple of years ago Gilbert bailed on the sponsorship of the competition and Mitre came in. As per last GM's meeting, I think there's 2 years to run on the Mitre partnership and Gilbert remain not interested.
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    Sorry Yikes, but Knuckles is correct. At least according to the GM's meeting in January that I attended anyway. Bruiser Worboys told the clubs the ref's bill is over the $100K mark per annum.

    As for your standard of play/spectator behaviour comment, I'll plead the 5th there Chief!

    Night all, that'll do me. 5 mins here a month is enough for me.
  13. boyo Paul McLean (56)

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    The referee allowance is supposed to pay for costs incurred

    When you consider the costs of whistles, boots, strapping, car upkeep, etc. the allowance barely scratches the surface.
  14. Yikes Stan Wickham (3)

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    If he did, he's probably including the ancillary costs like communications equipment and clothing, as I said.
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    Not sure about clothing but yes, comms gear is included. Ther's been an argument from a member of the SRU for some years asking why should the clubs pay for the comms gear for ARU refs? Shouldn't the ARU be paying for the development of their refs

    As far as I'm aware, that question is still to be answered.
  16. BellyTwoBlues Guest

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    should the clubs pay for ref's boots, strapping and car maintenance?
  17. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    You can almost bet your bottom dollar that provision will be there for some pretty flash warm and waterproof branded "Look At Me, I'm Important" clothing for the Referees Association Executive Committee members, and some useless KMart special, cheap as dishwater, poorly stitched clothing item that is neither warm nor even showerproof for the actual referees that are providing the service to the clubs.

    Isn't that the way it works?
  18. Bomber Harris Chris McKivat (8)

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    Yes yes all of that . I said I thought the thinking behind it was laudable but it's prospects of success are problematic IMO and clubs are kicking in cash they can I'll afford to lose . Eastwood's decision to stay out is instructive. The absence of an NRC does not appear to have hampered the competitiveness of Australian soups and the resurgence of the Wallabies this year...Will we be competing with Sth Africa below national level in a few years ?
  19. Braveheart81 Rocky Elsom (76)

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    The Rams has pretty much ended up as a private consortium from what I've heard. The clubs involved are providing varying levels of support and most of the players.

    Australia's problem is we lack depth. Particularly in some key positions.

    We are battling the loss of pretty good players overseas and the challenge is to try and create more local opportunities to keep players here and improve our rugby.

    New Zealand has a production line of talent coming through the ITM Cup. Are the Shute Shield and Premier Rugby providing that?

    Are half the Shute Shield clubs hanging together by barely a thread?
  20. boyo Paul McLean (56)

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    Do the clubs need referees for their matches? (no ref', no match)

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