Shute Shield 2014

[Doofus]

Dear Paul -could not let your comments not be balanced

I can't believe that a team of poor tacklers would drop possibly the best tackler in the SS

Not sure where you get your facts from. Observations can be misleading When Wests played Randwick last week at least three forwards carried out 18 tackles each - i.e. 2, 7 and 8.

Your second comment Also some grubby post match scenes from a couple of Wests supporters towards the linesman. That's not cool. Not rugby.

Houston we have a problem resonated with me. Houston the referee was not supported well yesterday. The linesmen (relying on using his radio and not providing signals to the crowd) was arguing with one of the spectators in that the spectator told him he should be relegated to second grade.The spectator must not have known that the same linesman had refereed the second grade game!

That "particular" performance would have been greatly assisted with a TMO. For example a number of people will be waiting for the video - in that a try awarded to a 2nd grade Warringah player - allegedly- they had ran over the dead ball line. You'll probably recall it was a 24 all draw.

Perhaps that linesman may have had a glimmer of insight and his losing his own cool speaks for itself. I have heard far worse personal heckling over the years and officials not batting an eyelid - he obviously had something on his mind. Personally think he had a day he would rather forget.

As for grubby I think not - he actively contributed to making it not cool but "thats rugby". A number of things happened that took victory away from Wests or worked against them - kicking / not kicking decisions among them - cards fast tracked the inevitable. I personally thought the bench could have been used more - I am sure the coach has his reasons. Tackling does become a problem when you are two men down in any team - it all becomes about numbers and overlaps.

All in all I thought Wests played well - and were the better team on the day - they will have learnt a lot from the experience.

 

[Dave Beat]

I'm sure Paul, this is a battle in all clubs across the Shute Shield, It takes a lot of hard work and sound man management to make sure players in reserve grade get their opportunities in first grade and those that get moved back down into reserve grade understand why and where they need to improve their game. I like to think we do a good job of this at Parramatta, but of course there's no pleasing everyone just most hopefully!

I'm not going to pass comment because I haven't watched them yet.
As of this morning they sit Top in 1's and have scored more points than any other team.
In seconds they are undefeated with an awesome for and against.
and in Forths' they are also undefeated.

Possibly one of the problems is they've got too much talent so there's a lot of guys think they should be in better teams.

Possibly, but maybe there are 100 players in the one team, and as of this morning they are also topping the CC table as well. So it then comes down to managing men, and it is far more enjoyable winning and having fun than loosing. Plus and I've said it above - IMO everyone can be equal in the gym, and some real bonding can be achieved there.

I love when I hear clubs/coaches sprouting about how they've developed local juniors while forgetting to mention all the imports in their clubs or all the kids from their clubs that are now playing for some other club.

The guys playing grade now are 20 - 30, and cant speak of the development that took place 15 years ago. But what is important for the code now is development with the juniors now, I'd like to see all clubs putting in the effort.

 

[paul martin]

Doofus I agree with you. The linesman was a shocker. However I don't like to see match officials having to be escorted to their car with their Mum in tears.

 

[couldabeen]

Doofus I agree with you. The linesman was a shocker. However I don't like to see match officials having to be escorted to their car with their Mum in tears.

Too bloody right. Keep it up you knuckleheads and you won't be able to find a ref for love or money.
See my post in Sydney Colts about the boorish behavior of the Gordon Colts Coaching team during and after the game.
Listen carefully - when you play Rugby you make a mutual contract to observe the decisions of a referee . With or without multiple replays, camera angles, infallible decision making processes, they will make decisions you don't like. They may even cost you a game. But there is that word, Game. It is a game that can develop a mature character - or demonstrate the lack of it.
Unless it is a matter of player welfare/duty of care, sit down shut up, grow up, and suck it up.

 

[howyagoin]

No one should ever approach an official the way he was approached yesterday. No matter what happens. It's been & done now. Not ideal but not much point harping over it

 

[paul martin]

As for their defence I don't doubt those guys made that many tackles and I'm sorry if my generalisation caused any offence. What would make for an interesting stat is the number of missed tackles Wests have made this year. The fact only Penrith and Gordon have conceded more points (Gordon had 70 put on them in one game) suggests to me that defence is a big problem. Some of the tries scored against them by Manly were embarrassing. Between 1s and 2s that day they let in over a 100 points.

 

[Dave Beat]

Mothers Day - thanks Club Rugby TV albeit having the Marlins playing under the Beasties logo.
Wasn't there - looked like a "win ugly" that luckily included a bonus point and i didn't see any injuries.
Great seeing some colts come on off the bench.

 

[Yikes]

Doofus - could not let your comments not be balanced.

Not sure where you get your facts from. Observations can be misleading.

Considering the rest of your post, what irony.

The linesmen (relying on using his radio and not providing signals to the crowd)

What does this even mean?

That "particular" performance would have been greatly assisted with a TMO.

Hmmm. There’s a reason there isn’t a TMO at 2nd Grade. It’s because it’s SECOND GRADE. You know what would have greatly assisted Wests’ and Warringah’s second grade performance? 30 Super Rugby players. But they aren’t there, and so neither is a TMO.

For example a number of people will be waiting for the video - in that a try awarded to a 2nd grade Warringah player - allegedly- they had ran over the dead ball line.

So let me get this straight - Warringah manage to get the ball over the Wests goal line and MAY HAVE - you’re not even sure - touched the dead ball line before touching down. And the person you have a crack at is the referee? Surely there are 15 other Wests players you might want to have a talk to first? And that's the example you lead with?

I have heard far worse personal heckling over the years and officials not batting an eyelid - he obviously had something on his mind. Personally think he had a day he would rather forget.
As for grubby I think not - he actively contributed to making it not cool but "thats rugby".

Talk about blaming the victim. How exactly did the AR “actively contribute”? So far he:

- Made some calls in 2nd Grade you disagreed with.

- Made a big call on the touch line in 1sts. Are you claiming the incident he reported never happened? My mail is that the player involved in the incident admitted to, and apologised for it on the pitch. (Maybe he denied it later). Certainly the player spat on (Luke Holmes unless I am mistaken) might have a different view of events to your view.

- May have (according to you) spoken back to a spectator who should not have been yelling at him anyway.
It seems to me that the assistant referee had the temerity to make a few calls you (and others) didn’t agree with. For that, according to you, he deserves people in his face immediately after the game calling him a “f%^&* cheat”, and gets abused coming out of the sheds on the way to his car to the point that, according to posts on here, his parents were in tears.

Dare I suggest that the player who “actively contributed” was the player who spat on another player? Where were the dozens of people outside his change room waiting to heckle and boo and jeer him on the way to his car? Or does he get 14 other blokes supporting him and telling each other he didn’t do or it was a misunderstanding or we were robbed by the refs. I trust that Wests’ coaches are better than that, even if their supporters aren’t.

People often complain about the standard of refereeing - well there will be fewer and fewer people wanting to give up their time to do it if gutless cowards sit there in the stands and say to themselves “oh, I’ve heard far worse personal heckling” instead of getting up off their backsides and doing something about it.

Have you ever run a club and tried to find someone to referee for a lower grade!? No-one wants to do it. I don’t care if the bloke did have a shocker - so what? That makes it OK?

Listen carefully - when you play Rugby you make a mutual contract to observe the decisions of a referee . With or without multiple replays, camera angles, infallible decision making processes, they will make decisions you don't like. They may even cost you a game. But there is that word, Game. It is a game that can develop a mature character - or demonstrate the lack of it.
Unless it is a matter of player welfare/duty of care, sit down shut up, grow up, and suck it up.

Amen. Doofus - if you want to condone what went on at Wests on the weekend, rack off to another sport. We don’t want you in rugby. Your type is not welcome.

 

[Dave Beat]

So let me get this straight.

Dear Paul -could not let your comments not be balanced

Serious get to the corner and stick your nose up against the wall, I would say go and tell mummy but it's mothers day.

 

[Bomber Harris]

Tsk - The Game They Play In Heaven.........

 

[Bruce Ross]

Tsk - The Game They Play In Heaven...

That phrase and Waltzing-Bloody-Matilda can be guaranteed to raise my blood pressure to an unhealthy level.
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[Bomber Harris]

! with you on that . I lost my faith courtesy of the Waratahs long ago - apparently some fallen angels at Concord yesterday. Sounds like an appalling scene

 

[refugee]

an assistant referee is just that.
Only contributes if requested by the referee other than at touch and foul play.
Players would be advised to learn the roles of the assistants before heckling them
Spectators would be advised to get accredited before abusing the contributors.

 

[Moonball]

OK I have heard the comments. I was at Concord. Please, please don't blame "the Wests crowd" it was a couple of hot heads that really lost it. It also needs to be taken into account it was West's supporters that pulled these blokes away and told them to pull their heads in and it was the Wests 2nd grade coach that the AR refereed that escorted the AR to his car to make sure he was OK. We're not all bad.

 

[boyo]

Certain clubs can quickly gain a bad reputation amongst refereeing circles.

Some people need to realise that the players aren't playing Super Rugby nor test rugby.

Some people need to realise that the players aren't playing for sheep stations.

No match officials? No match.

 

[Backrow]

Certain clubs can quickly gain a bad reputation amongst refereeing circles.

Some people need to realise that the players aren't playing Super Rugby nor test rugby.

Some people need to realise that the players aren't playing for sheep stations.

No match officials? No match.

I agree it's not super rugby however especially in first grade super rugby is the next step for players and refs. I would love to see ref reviews published so us passionate supporters can have some confidence that mistakes are noted and fixed and that repeat poor performances (or good performances) are dealt with accordingly. Eastwood friends of mine were complaining about some suspect calls in their game on the weekend. It would be awesome to be able to quantify the ref impact on a game, ie bad calls for, bad calls against how many led directly to points.

If we have the ability to I don't see why not.

 

[I like to watch]

Did the ref let the West Tigers guy in for two tries?
Tell your Eastwood mates they can complain about the ref,when their stats show zero errors from their players for the game.
Why should the ref have to perform to a higher standard than the players?

 

[the coach]

Adding to the various posts above about refereeing, I've thought for some time that part of the problem is the lack of and / or poor signalling by refs to indicate why they've made a decision. If the signals were clearer and were always made consistently I suspect some of the crowd problems would disappear.

 

[I like to watch]

So many of the calls are 50/50.
So often, you hear both sides screaming he won't release.
One side is talking about the tacklers,the other about the tackled player.
Whenever the ref blows a penalty,in this instance,1/2 the crowd thinks it was an error.

 

[Dave Beat]

Adding to the various posts above about refereeing, I've thought for some time that part of the problem is the lack of and / or poor signalling by refs to indicate why they've made a decision. If the signals were clearer and were always made consistently I suspect some of the crowd problems would disappear.

Or maybe some of the critiques could step up and have a crack at it, man I reckon it would be harder to ref a game than it is playing.

By all means help out from the side line, but there are boundaries that most people would / should be aware of. They need to be respected.