Super Rugby 2018

[Dismal Pillock]

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^^^^^^^ I'd have thought they were more the alpha & (mostly/ recently) omega of the NZ Conference

alpha catchment/omega oil brain deficiency performance

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=11930575&ref=twitter

Melbourne get a mention. It's time we looked to get out of this arrangement.

 

[kiap]

It's time we looked to get out of this arrangement.

I think it move that way anyway.

Respective countries control all their own "derbies".

The Soup component, by whatever name, shrinks to the shared overseas matches where negotiated.

 

[jimmydubs]

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[Dan54]

Digby been cut loose from Crusaders for next year, very friendly parting of ways by all accounts, and can understand it, he won't get any game time there next year

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Suva to host a game again this year, Clan taking their "home" Match v Tribe up there:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11980349

 

[TOCC]

Suva to host a game again this year, Clan taking their "home" Match v Tribe up there:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11980349

Wonderful stuff... could serve as a true guage of whether Fiji has the crowd and corporate support to support a Super Rugby team.. Samoa last year was a bit of a bust, they priced the fans out of the game, more fans were lining the streets waving at the bus on the way to the stadium then there were in the actual stadium itself.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^^^^^^^ I suspect Fiji will remain at best a once-a-season proposition for at least another 10 years.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Some mug has had a crack at explaining how SR2018 will differ from previous versions:

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/changes-to-super-rugby-from-2018/

 

[Rugbynutter39]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?objectid=11930575&ref=twitter

Melbourne get a mention. It's time we looked to get out of this arrangement.

We can't excuse that Oz sides last year were poor which was due to whole host of reasons - some Super Rugby related and some/many of our own doing and while hopefully more focus now on improving our own shopfront we equally look to alternatives outside of Super Rugby post 2020...re: bring on Twiggyball.

 

[lou75]

I may be dim but the ARU argued that they needed to cull a team in order to improve Aussie performance - yet, essentaily, and to my mind, the Force team and coaches have largely relocated as one parcel to Melbourne where the Rebels had a reduced roster and no real changes to Brumbies, Tahs and very little to Reds.
SO my question is, how do those four teams have improved performance when there has been no real change to them? -- FFS, the ex-Force players and coaches didn't spread the joy around to all teams, and as a group, they may have come second in the Aussie conference, but they only won seven games (from memory), so I wish them all the best this year, but they are yet to thrash NZ or SA definitvely, so how is their performance going to improve by relocating them to Melbourne?

 

[Sully]

Some mug has had a crack at explaining how SR2018 will differ from previous versions:

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/changes-to-super-rugby-from-2018/

Does this guy even Rugby?

 

[dru]

I may be dim but the ARU argued that they needed to cull a team in order to improve Aussie performance - yet, essentaily, and to my mind, the Force team and coaches have largely relocated as one parcel to Melbourne where the Rebels had a reduced roster and no real changes to Brumbies, Tahs and very little to Reds.
SO my question is, how do those four teams have improved performance when there has been no real change to them? -- FFS, the ex-Force players and coaches didn't spread the joy around to all teams, and as a group, they may have come second in the Aussie conference, but they only won seven games (from memory), so I wish them all the best this year, but they are yet to thrash NZ or SA definitvely, so how is their performance going to improve by relocating them to Melbourne?

But it has required a number of players to hunt for work overseas. And now offers less opportunity for the pathways - poorly formed as they are.

 

[southsider]

I may be dim but the ARU argued that they needed to cull a team in order to improve Aussie performance - yet, essentaily, and to my mind, the Force team and coaches have largely relocated as one parcel to Melbourne where the Rebels had a reduced roster and no real changes to Brumbies, Tahs and very little to Reds.
SO my question is, how do those four teams have improved performance when there has been no real change to them? -- FFS, the ex-Force players and coaches didn't spread the joy around to all teams, and as a group, they may have come second in the Aussie conference, but they only won seven games (from memory), so I wish them all the best this year, but they are yet to thrash NZ or SA definitvely, so how is their performance going to improve by relocating them to Melbourne?

But every team HAS picked up force players, theoretically making the squads they are part of stronger than they would’ve been without, even the reds have gained an experienced 5/8 in Lance and now aren’t forced to go with a rookie.

I also think we will see a greater spread of players over the next 1-2 years as contracts expire etc don’t rhibk anyone can legitimately argue that culling the force creates better rosters for the other franchises.

 

[lou75]

But every team HAS picked up force players, theoretically making the squads they are part of stronger than they would’ve been without, even the reds have gained an experienced 5/8 in Lance and now aren’t forced to go with a rookie.

I also think we will see a greater spread of players over the next 1-2 years as contracts expire etc don’t rhibk anyone can legitimately argue that culling the force creates better rosters for the other franchises.

Well that only works if the ex Force players are stronger than the remaining teams - which is weird right, why chop the strongest team? When in fact they were not in the finals much less in the top half of the standings!! So why do you think this makes the Aussie teams stronger?

 

[southsider]

Well that only works if the ex Force players are stronger than the remaining teams - which is weird right, why chop the strongest team? When in fact they were not in the finals much less in the top half of the standings!! So why do you think this makes the Aussie teams stronger?

I’m sorry dude, that post made literally zero sense

 

[TOCC]

No it makes perfect sense... and he is right to question the integrity of the decision.

This decision has only ever been about money. Redistributing Force players to the Rebels for 2018 may help the overall percentages for 2018, but as the salary cap comes back into force and players contracts expire, the exodus of players overseas will continue and status quo will return.

There have been no changes to the pathways which feed super rugby, nor have there been any real improvements made as to how rugby is supposed to retain the best young talent. Without fixing these, no improvement will be seen at the top.


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[glass half full]

When looking at each of the squads, I think the starting 15 for each franchise looks decent. Final standings may well come down to squad depth but it may be a closer run thing than most are thinking.

Brumbies look to have the best forward pack and Rebels the best backline, with 10 the only question mark. These two and Tahs will probably Be competing for the top spot but Reds and Sunwolves are capable of upsets.

Will be interesting.

 

[southsider]

No it makes perfect sense. and he is right to question the integrity of the decision.

This decision has only ever been about money. Redistributing Force players to the Rebels for 2018 may help the overall percentages for 2018, but as the salary cap comes back into force and players contracts expire, the exodus of players overseas will continue and status quo will return.

There have been no changes to the pathways which feed super rugby, nor have there been any real improvements made as to how rugby is supposed to retain the best young talent. Without fixing these, no improvement will be seen at the top.


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Well no, it’s more than fine to question the integrity of the decision but his interlinked it with the performance of teams this year, wether or not it was a good decision doesn’t impact how well the other teams are gonna go.

And again theoretically the more fringe players from each squad will go overseas when their contracts expire and seeing say the rebels will in the future have too many players in their squad they will shed players who will then be picked up by other super rugby teams at the expense of their worst players currently in the squads.

 

[dru]

No it makes perfect sense. and he is right to question the integrity of the decision.

This decision has only ever been about money. Redistributing Force players to the Rebels for 2018 may help the overall percentages for 2018, but as the salary cap comes back into force and players contracts expire, the exodus of players overseas will continue and status quo will return.

There have been no changes to the pathways which feed super rugby, nor have there been any real improvements made as to how rugby is supposed to retain the best young talent. Without fixing these, no improvement will be seen at the top.


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