Sydney Subbies 2022

[qwerty123]

While we sit 12 points outside Barker at 6th in Barraclough, the Quinns still believe we can get it done. We have two games in hand vs Lindfield and Iggies, before a favourable 2nd round against Briars, Blacktown and Beecroft.

Rallying subbies to take action on barker only fielding 1 side might be easier than beating linfield. Good luck.

 

[Mangoman]

Where does this forum fall on former (disgraced?) professional rugby league players playing in Subbies?

Do we welcome it or is it frowned upon or is it pending the division/grade?

 

[Prodigy]

Where does this forum fall on former (disgraced?) professional rugby league players playing in Subbies?

Do we welcome it or is it frowned upon or is it pending the division/grade?

Club and division?

 

[Funny]

Club and division?

Please someone go thru the timesheets. I cant handle the suspense!!!

 

[Funny]

could just be a bloke with the same name scoring 2 tries at outside centre

 

[Mangoman]

To clear it up, he’s not contracted and hasn’t been since last year to the best of my recollection. So as far as I can see it’s not as if the club has done something egregiously wrong, perhaps just morally wrong.

 

[Mangoman]

could just be a bloke with the same name scoring 2 tries at outside centre

Also, posted to his Instagram of him watching the game yesterday. Can’t really see that being the case unless they’re extremely unfortunate to have that be the case.

 

[Funny]

Does it fit under the rule that you have to wait a year after having a professional contract? NRL counts!

100% him playing!

 

[Mangoman]

Haven’t got a clue about that, I think it only ever referred to Union contracts but not sure.

If it was at the Kentwell/Barraclough level, I could MAYBE understand it (hell, a few years ago Ryan Cross, Matt Giteau and Drew Mitchell were playing in that competition).

But in the Jeffrey Cup, it seems a little bit like overkill...most of the clubs there are at about 3rd or 4th grade level. A tad unfair...

 

[Waterloo_Ned]

Have they found a date for Iggies? Lindfield takes up your last wet weather week according to the current draw.

We are trying our best. I believe we have a tentative booking at Woollahra for a night game midweek, but whether we can get Iggies to come out and play it I am not so sure.

 

[Pfitzy]

Does it fit under the rule that you have to wait a year after having a professional contract? NRL counts!

Looking through the Subbies Ops manual, it does not mention the terms "league", "rugby league", or "NRL" at any point.

The term "contract" is only used in this context (two different sections but same content):

a) No player having held a professional rugby union contract in the previous or current calendar year may be registered. Dispensation may be requested via the Integrity Committee.

The term "professional" is used in the above and in the Not Permissible section of Expenses under the Amateur conditions:

"Any expenses not directly associated with playing for the club, including services in kind (e.g. landscaping, professional services, travel expenses) cannot be paid."

So there is literally nothing about rugby league players.

In my experience, you'll probably find a few around different clubs who get paid on Sunday for their league club but play Saturday with their mates for fun. It doesn't breach any of the Amateur terms because the Subbies club isn't paying them.

 

[Mangoman]

In my experience, you'll probably find a few around different clubs who get paid on Sunday for their league club but play Saturday with their mates for fun. It doesn't breach any of the Amateur terms because the Subbies club isn't paying them.

Without a doubt this is the case at many, I would say a majority, of clubs. There’s nothing wrong with that at all. It’s more having a person that SHOULD be at the professional level playing against guys who are there on the weekend for a casual run around.

If the person in question was late 30s and retired from professional sport or late teens/early 20s and a former rep then fair game. But by all rights this guy should be in the NRL and is only playing park footy because of an ongoing investigation and court case.

Again, if he played Kentwell or Barraclough it probably wouldn’t get things too fired up because the playing level is such that at least the guys he’s playing with and against train 2 nights a week and are generally pretty damn good players in their own right.

Speaking as someone who has played in the Jeffrey competition before, it’s a shit mix of guys who probably wouldn’t be out of place in a Kentwell/Burke or Barraclough/Stockdale environment (I.e. 80 min rugby fit, well drilled, footy smart) and some guys who honestly would struggle for a starting spot in any given 4ths or 5ths side.

It just doesn’t sit right.

 

[Prodigy]

To clear it up, he’s not contracted and hasn’t been since last year to the best of my recollection. So as far as I can see it’s not as if the club has done something egregiously wrong, perhaps just morally wrong.

Don’t understand why he shouldn’t play. We don’t do background checks on every player in Subbies.
What does he do? Get on the piss and get into fights.
If it wasn’t in the papers, we wouldn’t know about it. I can tell you there are guys playing Subbies who have been in trouble with the law and we don’t kick up a stink about them

 

[Waterloo_Ned]

Without a doubt this is the case at many, I would say a majority, of clubs. There’s nothing wrong with that at all. It’s more having a person that SHOULD be at the professional level playing against guys who are there on the weekend for a casual run around.

If the person in question was late 30s and retired from professional sport or late teens/early 20s and a former rep then fair game. But by all rights this guy should be in the NRL and is only playing park footy because of an ongoing investigation and court case.

Again, if he played Kentwell or Barraclough it probably wouldn’t get things too fired up because the playing level is such that at least the guys he’s playing with and against train 2 nights a week and are generally pretty damn good players in their own right.

Speaking as someone who has played in the Jeffrey competition before, it’s a shit mix of guys who probably wouldn’t be out of place in a Kentwell/Burke or Barraclough/Stockdale environment (I.e. 80 min rugby fit, well drilled, footy smart) and some guys who honestly would struggle for a starting spot in any given 4ths or 5ths side.

It just doesn’t sit right.

Which club were you with and are you with now Mangoman?

 

[Pfitzy]

TBH I think you're far more likely to be seriously injured by some amateur gumby with a bad attitude than a recent/ex pro who knows how to go up and down the gears in what is a glorified training run.

Also, outside the pro environment they tend to lose peak fitness and strength fairly quickly, so a lot are found to be mere mortals in a team sport.

 

[Pfitzy]

You're on the Subbies committee Pfitzy, what would be their take on this? No problem being corrected if Subbies have raised this and dealt with it...

Technically speaking this matter would be handled in the first case by the Integrity Committee. The Board might require the Integrity Committee to meet to discuss a particular issue if required. There are then rules around whether their recommendations go to the Board etc.

Have a look at this PDF - start on Page 64 for Integrity Committee

https://rugby.net.au/ResDetail.asp?id=16544&OrgID=132&menu=637

 

[Mangoman]

The main issue I see is that it’s a guy that, by all accounts, should be in the NRL.

70+ NRL caps. Not NSW Cup, not Shute Shield, not Jersey Flegg. The NRL. The top level of domestic rugby, league or union, in Australia (don’t argue this one guys ). The ONLY reason he is not there is because of off field issues. He wasn’t dropped for performance reasons.

He played this past weekend against an Kings Old Boys outfit that train once a week. Maybe an extra once or twice a week in the gym depending on personal preference/commitment.

No one else here seeing the issue with that?

 

[Uzi1989]

Sheesh - talk about missing the point entirely here...

How can you have an established NRL player, in the prime of life, with the skills, athletic ability, power and strength that he has - playing at that level of rugby?!

What if Burra now make a late charge into the fast approaching semi's, and win games due to this guy - don't you think the beaten clubs have a right to say "hang on, this just ain't right here"

Also what if he tackles someone and physically hurts them due to said skill?

Having said all of this, if he has been cleared by Subbies to play, then so be it - but I still don't think its right for him to play such a level where its about playing the game we all like and care for, and not professional

No burraneer don’t need him to do that because they are well on there way to the finals starting in a few weeks but its a great way for him to keep fit

 

[Pfitzy]

No one else here seeing the issue with that?

Potential issues with anything like this.

For example, I personally would not like to be tackled by, or try to tackle, some of the gigantic fast blokes half my age in our Division. Yet I get out there and play by my choice and do my very average best anyway.

What's a good stand-down period in your opinion? Should we make Shute Shield 1st Grade wait 1 year, and any level of full professional (Super Rugby, NRL, etc) wait 2 years? Even if they've been play ing second-tier pro rugby in somewhere like Romania or Russia?

Don't think we have the resources to check everyone. I know of at least one ex-pro rugby player getting around for a First Division side, and nobody has said anything. EDIT: he hasn't played pro for a couple of years, I should add.

 

[Waterloo_Ned]

Quinns vs Iggies tonight!