The Israel Folau saga

[Ignoto]

Happy to see the back of Folau....

https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/...n/news-story/f68a9999a605081749c4b2f1fb350f15

Trying to listen to his service, I now understand why some team mates have come out and said good riddance. If you take away some of the shock and awe wording from Folau's speech, you're left with an extremely bland and boring presentor

When the donation tin goes around, does Folau and Folau Senior scorn those who don't drop more than a couple of pineapples into the tin?

 

[Pfitzy]

You just summed up pretty much every bad progressive argument made in this thread. 'His views are different from mine. He's wrong and he must be stupid. He needs to be punished.'

It has actually been known for a long time that he's not very bright. Folau is one of those "Break Glass In Case Of Footy" types of players. His gifts on the field are unquestionable, but his interviews and interactions show he's not the sharpest fork in the drawer.

Oh and the fact he got fired for doing something he was asked not to do. That is nothing to do with what my views are.

If he was fired for doing porn I'd say he was equally stupid. And I like porn.

 

[fatprop]

It has actually been known for a long time that he's not very bright. Folau is one of those "Break Glass In Case Of Footy" types of players. His gifts on the field are unquestionable, but his interviews and interactions show he's not the sharpest fork in the drawer.

Oh and the fact he got fired for doing something he was asked not to do. That is nothing to do with what my views are.

If he was fired for doing porn I'd say he was equally stupid. And I like porn.

His lack of charisma off the field was a major plus for RA and sponsors. A good christian lad, no real vices, soft spoken - and then he made the mistake of enunciating traditional, conservative christian views

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

You just summed up pretty much every bad progressive argument made in this thread. 'His views are different from mine. He's wrong and he must be stupid. He needs to be punished.'

I actually don't look at it as a question of intelligence. Never met the man so cannot make that assessment without data to support it. For me it's about arrogance. Not so much for what he said but his arrogance in the belief that he shouldn't have to suffer any consequences for saying it by virtue of his interpretation of religious doctrine.

 

[Pfitzy]

His lack of charisma off the field was a major plus for RA and sponsors. A good christian lad, no real vices, soft spoken - and then he made the mistake of enunciating traditional, conservative christian views

I would argue that they go beyond "conservative" into "evangelical", which is where you see some real crazy action.

 

[Pfitzy]

Reminds me of this, actually:

 

[fatprop]

I would argue that they go beyond "conservative" into "evangelical", which is where you see some real crazy action.

There we get to disagree - they are the pretty standard beliefs of a goodly sub set of the population, the gay marriage vote highlighted this

 

[Sully]

I know a lot of people who voted no to gay marriage. They weren't religious just homophobic. Don't assume the 30 something percent are christians.

 

[Derpus]

It is pretty hard to argue that homophobia isn't a Christian belief.

 

[Pass it to Dunning!]

It is pretty hard to argue that homophobia isn't a Christian belief.

Homophobia is everywhere. Especially in deeply irreligious countries like North Korea, China and Russia.

 

[Quick Hands]

It is pretty hard to argue that homophobia isn't a Christian belief.

The suffix "phobia" denotes "fear of" rather than simply stating that something is against one's core beliefs. There is a difference. It's possible to disagree with somebody and still like and/or respect them.

 

[Quick Hands]

Which goes to show that it is possible to find just about anything in the bible.

But at the end of the day, I have always assumed that Christianity was about love, not hate. Inclusion, not exclusion. Serving others, not condemning them.

Or as Paul says near the conclusion of 1 Corinthians

1 Corinthians 13 Revised Standard Version (RSV)

The Gift of Love

13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, I gain nothing.

 

[Braveheart81]

The suffix "phobia" denotes "fear of" rather than simply stating that something is against one's core beliefs. There is a difference. It's possible to disagree with somebody and still like and/or respect them.

The word is defined as "dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people".

The suffix phobia does mean fear of but plenty of the suchandsuchphobia terms aren't defined as fear of that specific thing.

 

[cyclopath]

I'm suffering ThisThreadophobia.

 

[Quick Hands]

The word is defined as "dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people".

The suffix phobia does mean fear of but plenty of the suchandsuchphobia terms aren't defined as fear of that specific thing.

That's the meaning of the word. You can choose to put another construction on it if you like. If you want to describe someone as being prejudiced against homosexual people or disliking the practice of homosexuality then by all means do so. The addition of the suffix "phobia" is attached to give it a pejorative meaning rather than a clear description of intent or belief.

It's perfectly possible for a person to have a religious belief about homosexuality while not disliking homosexuals or having a prejudice against them.

 

[Quick Hands]

I'm suffering ThisThreadophobia.

At which point, I'm disappearing again.

 

[Aurelius]

The word is defined as "dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people".

Just dislike or prejudice, eh?

Then in the context of this scandal, if Folau is homophobic then he's also atheophobic, alcophobic, kleptophobic and if you take him at face value on the idolatry issue, probably Cathophobic and Buddhiphobic too.

Whether or not that's better or worse than the Christophobia (and in particular Evangophobia) exhibited by some posters on this thread I guess is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Sully]

Nothing really happening regarding the case so closing this until something happens.