The NBN (National Broadband Network)

[Moses]

I guess the logic is that for a pretty low cost they'll attract new business to Brisbane with high speed broadband

 

[Scotty]

I think it is quite a stupid idea in light of the NBN coming to parts of Brisbane as early as next year (unless this has changed since the bush men got their way).

But it does perhaps point out that things can be done in different ways. There is not just my way on the highway approach that others would have us believe.

 

[Blue]

I guess the logic is that for a pretty low cost they'll attract new business to Brisbane with high speed broadband

Ah! Herein lies the dilemma.

I have not seen a conclusive answer to the question of "How" this "business" will be created.

Because, frankly, they do not know. Washing machines talking to the grid at 2am they tell us. Fucken brilliant.

It's a case of people thinking that plugging a fat pipe in someplace will suddenly make all this shit happen.

It's infuriating to watch the circus unfold.

 

[Blue]

I think it is quite a stupid idea in light of the NBN coming to parts of Brisbane as early as next year (unless this has changed since the bush men got their way).

But it does perhaps point out that things can be done in different ways. There is not just my way on the highway approach that others would have us believe.

Mate, you'll be smokin' GAGR at 100Mbps. I am jealous. Where's mine?

 

[Scotty]

Mate, you'll be smokin' GAGR at 100Mbps. I am jealous. Where's mine?

I'm sure it has changed with the bush deal, but I believe inner north brisbane (where I live) was planning on starting mid next year.

Maybe I'll be able to argue with about 10 people at once when I get 100Mbps, instead of just 2 or 3 now.

 

[Moses]

If hosting was affordable in this country, or at least competitive, I'd move gagr to sydney and it'd fly without an nbn

 

[naza]

Mate, you'll be smokin' GAGR at 100Mbps. I am jealous. Where's mine?

I find it interesting that it's assumed FTTN will make everyone's internet massively faster. High bandwidth does not equal low latency. Speed at the edge doesn't help if the backhaul and exchange links are not adequately provisioned. The majority of content is hosted overseas. Servers are often a bottleneck. And worse of all, many web pages are loading a ton of advertising junk in the background, fetched off shitty overloaded servers.

 

[Scotty]

If hosting was affordable in this country, or at least competitive, I'd move gagr to sydney and it'd fly without an nbn

Maybe that is what can do campbell wants. Couldn't get the ARU to move the Ballymore, so next best thing will be hosting GAGR in Brissie.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I find it interesting that it's assumed FTTN will make everyone's internet massively faster. High bandwidth does not equal low latency. Speed at the edge doesn't help if the backhaul and exchange links are not adequately provisioned. The majority of content is hosted overseas. Servers are often a bottleneck. And worse of all, many web pages are loading a ton of advertising junk in the background, fetched off shitty overloaded servers.

Yep, long fat networks (i.e. high bandwidth, but also high latency) don't solve every problem. This argument has been made upthread, that the inter-continental links will also have to be massively upgraded to make it all work. I would be extremely surprised if we get anything like the performance that is being promised. My experience also tells me that servers are only a problem in extremely high transactional load situations. The network and routers are often the choke point and the servers and storage are quite often nearly idle.

 

[Blue]

I find it interesting that it's assumed FTTN will make everyone's internet massively faster. High bandwidth does not equal low latency. Speed at the edge doesn't help if the backhaul and exchange links are not adequately provisioned. The majority of content is hosted overseas. Servers are often a bottleneck. And worse of all, many web pages are loading a ton of advertising junk in the background, fetched off shitty overloaded servers.

You're preaching to the converted. Don't forget to add incompetence to the list of great obstacles. The potential for cockups between the NBN operators service providers and who ever will be in charge of the local loop will be unlike anything we have ever seen. As it is right now I can't take real advantage of the speeds advertised to me (because of the latency you mention) and I am right on the edge of the city...what's worse is that after three phone calls to Telstra to discuss the very issue I was told by one very helpful twat that "as a user you really don't need to worry about these things."

But hey it's all cool as long as some schmo in a little town none of us have heard of can watch porn at breakneck speed. Maybe like Clinton's "No child left behind" promise is now somewhat of a joke in the US we will have historians referring back to our very own "No perv in the bush to be left with a broken stream of smut."

 

[Moses]

And worse of all, many web pages are loading a ton of advertising junk in the background, fetched off shitty overloaded servers.

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[Bowside]

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Thank you Moses.

 

[Moses]

Thank you Moses.

It is the single greatest plugin on the Internet

 

[naza]

The network and routers are often the choke point and the servers and storage are quite often nearly idle.

Complete fallacy in my experience. Everyone always blames the network. That may have been true 10 years ago but its rarely the case now. But people continue to throw hardware and bandwidth at poorly written apps and badly designed infrastructure. And there's the incompetent human/useless service provider factor - 9 times out of 10 our netflow graphs show bandwidth utilisation issues are because dumb fucks have backups running over the WAN in the middle of the day. And nobody has budget for Ops, let alone performance tuning.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

All I can say Naza, is for the apps we run and those I have run in the past, it's almost always the network that's the bottleneck and apps that aren't written for deployment over a WAN or the Internet. We do all sorts of tricks with QoS, scheduling, thin clients, acceleration etc, but they don't always work. My network costs are the single biggest budget item I have. More than hardware and more than salaries. Our NetAPP and HP gear are rarely more than 25% utilised.

 

[Blue]

All I can say Naza, is for the apps we run and those I have run in the past, it's almost always the network that's the bottleneck and apps that aren't written for deployment over a WAN or the Internet. We do all sorts of tricks with QoS, scheduling, thin clients, acceleration etc, but they don't always work. My network costs are the single biggest budget item I have. More than hardware and more than salaries. Our NetAPP and HP gear are rarely more than 25% utilised.

Fire some people an increase your network budget. Bandwidth is going to cost you more if you want the NBN.

 

[Lindommer]

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Moses, what do you recommend for Internet Explorer?

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Moses, what do you recommend for Internet Explorer?

Firefox

 

[Scotty]

I have to say, Scotty, your negativity depresses me. There is really nothing about this business initiative that could possibly please you. A crucial nation building initiative such as this should not be the subject of such patently partisan game playing.

Groucho,

You post above was somewhat personal, and implied that I had not done significant reading regarding the NBN, and rather formed my views on party lines. Should I assume that, since you didn't respond to my post addressing your view, that you agree with everything I've said in it?

 

[Moses]

Moses, what do you recommend for Internet Explorer?

Friends don't let friends use Internet Explorer.

Go and get Firefox or Chrome. Both are much faster, actually customisable, look better (conform to web standards) than IE.