Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by KOB1987, Oct 10, 2018.
Yeah i dunno. Wish we had more options.
That was at professional level so i included Mitre 10 matches.
My bad with Phipps if incorrect, that'll teach me for looking at wiki.
I agree that players can play too much, especially French rugby. But by in large most professional players in this country don't play enough professional rugby, the NRC has gone a little way to rectify that situation, but we still aren't there.
Clearly, the more you play the more wear there is on your body. Not everyone has the stoicism of George Smith.
That player was an extreme case, especially one that has shown in the past a propensity to do stupid things.
Itoje is back on form, his issue was player burnout, but in that season he played almost 40 matches. Which is freaking insane
Foley played a season in Japan and a couple of seasons of Aussie 7s.
I agree that our non test players weren't playing enough rugby when there was nothing to go to after Super Rugby. That has now been fixed.
Currently all our professional players are playing roughly the right amount of rugby in my view. Where we need to be focusing is on minutes played (particularly for front rowers; Tom Robertson played far too many minutes this year in Super Rugby) and the odd situation with veterans who we are trying to ensure are fresh for the RWC (Kepu).
no, no science. but from watching it seems to me the lack of game smarts/awareness is a significant failing in many/most of our professional players. the on the run decision making is deficient and can only be rectified with real time exposure imo. 16 super games (+ 2 finals), 3 mid year tests, 7 RC tests and 4 EOYT =30 games maximum over nine months, and is not excessive in my opinion. i agree rest is necessary when appropriate.
I agree that things have improved, especially since the NRC but i still think a little more needs to be done. On saying that it doesn't help with the game count when kiwi teams play an extra 2/3 games a season cause they actually make finals in SR and the Mitre 10 is 4 games longer than the NRC.
It's mainly our lower to mid/younger guys range guys that simply aren't getting enough mins. They are the ones to push the standard for the higher end to be better.
Matt Philip for example has played sporadically this NRC, he also only played about 2/3 of the super season. He should be getting exposed as much as possible. Sefa has sat in Wallabies camp without playing, yet only played around half the minutes available in SR this year, many many more examples of this
I'd be bringing a few young guns. Jordan Petaia, DP, maybe Valetini. Just to be in/around the squad. Also, Petaia can tackle which is a nice novelty.
I'd take Dempsey and give him a run off the bench if fit enough. I'd take Meakes if Toomua isn't picked and give him a run ahead of Beale against Italy.
I'd be looking at giving plenty of game time to Maddocks and Banks, we already know what Folau and DHP bring. I'd rest Genia for an entire match and give Gordon a run.
I'd even take Cooper as the bench 10, given his form seems reasonable in the NRC and he's supposedly signed for the Rebels.
I'd also like to see Naivalu given a shot as the strike winger. Before his injury he looked the goods and Koroibete is doing more harm than good at the moment.
Will be close BH, if not smack on.
Looking for a bolter at prop, I think Les Makin probably has it over any of the others for SR experience these days. And he is a powerhoese at 3.
On the LH side, the best young scrummager is Harry Lloyd. I would like to see him get some development time with the Wallabies on tour.
It will be tough on Joe Powell if he misses out. In the squad and on the bench but largely overlooked for game time over the past 18 months or so. Replaced for one test by Jake Gordon who also was overlooked for game time. How do you draw a comparison between the two of them? Personally, I'd take them both in preference to Phipps but it ain't going to happen.
For twelve months or so, Cheika has run the fairytale that Beale is the backup No 10 to Foley. That must surely have been put to bed with Beale's three matches at 10 this RC. So, who will be the backup if Matt Toomua is overlooked? We are in the situation where no-one has been tried or given any encouragement by Cheika and now we are left with all very inexperienced playmakers with doubts about their ability to step up. I am assuming QC won't get a guernsey, at least for the EOYT. I think one of the younger players will have to go on tour. My choice would be Deegan, but would not be unhappy with Stewart on his latest NRC form.
There are a couple of absolute certainties for the tour who I would not have in a fit, but I'll just leave it at that.
IF the Smith Brothers are going to be eligible for selection come RWC, I'd be taking them onto the tour to get them used to the set up and let them carry pads etc
Hookers: Tolu Latu, Folau Faingaa, BPA
Props: Taniela Tupou, Allan Alaalatoa, Fereti Sa'aga, James Slipper, ??
Locks: Rory Arnold, Darcy Swain, Rob Simmons, Matt Philip
Backrow: Chris Alcock, Ben Hyne, Brynard Stander, Caleb Timu, Angus Cottrell, Jack Dempsey
Scrumhalves: Jake Gordon, Tate McDermott, Ian Prior
Flyhalves: Quade Cooper, Hamish Stewart
Centres: Billy Meakes, Duncan Paia'aua, , Matt Toomua, Karmichael Hunt, Tevita Kuridrani (is he back?)
Wings: Rod Davies, Jordan Petaia, Sefa Naivalu
Fullback: Tom Banks, Jack Maddocks
Wow. Stirring the pot. Can't say it isn't deserved. Any thoughts on coaching?
I’ve just updated and put Jack Dempsey in for Will Miller.
Coaching? Not sure. Peter Ryan perhaps? Scott Weismanyle is a name that gets dropped a bit and he’s regarded highly it seems.
Wouldn't you take a 5th prop?
yeah, that's the question mark. Not sure. I'd like to leave both Kepu and Sio back here. Ainsley is probably the man most likely but if all tests are in the test window perhaps Greg Holmes. Either way there's a loose head just keeping the spot warm for JP Smith when he is (supposedly) eligible around Sept next year.
So a "first string" team of:
15 Tom Banks
14 Jack Maddocks
13 Tevita Kuridrani
12 Matt Toomua [c]
11 Jordan Petaia
10 Quade Cooper
9 Jake Gordon
8 Angus Cottrell
7 Chris Alcock
6 Matt Philip
5 Rory Arnold
4 Rob Simmons
3 Taniela Tupou
2 Tolu Latu
1 James Slipper
16 Folau Faingaa
17 Fereti Sa'aga
18 Allan Alaalatoa
19 Caleb Timu
20 Jack Dempsey
21 Ian Prior
22 Billy Meakes
23 Karmichael Hunt
Not really sold on the wingers. Not sure about the back row either. Always thought of Alcock as a poor mans Hooper.
love the front row
I had this fight with Reg on the pod, but I'll have it here too.
I think we need wins on this tour, and if we pick a development squad we aren't going to get them.
We've only got a handful of games left until the World Cup, and while I'd like to see a few blokes given time off the bench, I wouldn't be keeping Hooper, Pocock, Foley etc away from the tour.
Most of our key players have sat out large portions of the year with injury anyway, so I don't think fatigue should be an issue.
The only person who could maybe be rested is Kepu.
what about form...
So are you suggesting our key players be rested, or dropped? Or are you just suggesting they would get tired and their play would further deteriorate?
Of the players you suggest, I'd think that most have actually logged more minutes than Hooper, Pocock and Genia this season.
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