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Wallabies 2020

Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by A mutterer, Oct 19, 2019.

  1. A mutterer Arch Winning (36)

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    well, let's get it started.

    #1 no chieka
  2. lpd Ted Fahey (11)

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    #2 no more 'the Australian way'. Test rugby is test rugby, you don't win it by running from everywhere
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  3. Daveyyyyy Frank Nicholson (4)

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    #3 in play kicking is actually a pretty important part of rugby union.
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  4. Slim 293 George Gregan (70)

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    Onward and upwards....

    Hopefully we can get in a good coaching setup.

    A few notable players we'll miss as they were hitting their peak - Arnold, Kerevi, Latu....

    But quite a number of good young players coming through, and our junior and schoolboy teams have been excelling recently.

    I'll be happy to see Pete Samu back in gold.... he averaged more metres per carry, and had more tackle busts than any other Aus backrower in Super Rugby, and seems to do alright in the lineout for his height - could've been a handy addition to the RWC squad if Cheika wasn't such a baby.

    Edit: apologies for spoiling the numerical theme.... :(
  5. Brumby Runner John Eales (66)

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    Certainly will miss Arnold; he is unbelievable at maul time, and does a mountain of work otherwise.

    Not so sure about Kertevi or Latu. Kerevi again today showed that he disrupts the attack as much as he gets it on the front foot with his penchant for dieing with the ball. I think we can find a more effective 12/13 combination without him.

    Latu came good, but not what you'd say was exceptionally better than Uelese or Fainga'a. Really good back up available at hooker.

    The No 10 spot looks to be the most urgent problem. Maybe Matt Toomua, but will he play 10 or 12 for the Rebels. Is Deegan ready to step up? I don't see any of the other young No 10s coming through being ready for test rugby next year.

    Like Slim, I would like to see Pete Samu get some opportunities again next year. He makes more ground in contact than any other player in the country. Rob Valetini will also be in the frame for his hard as nails defense.
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  6. Seb V Geoff Shaw (53)

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    Finding a decent 10 going to be the biggest problem for us.

    . well after finding a new coach.
  7. Seb V Geoff Shaw (53)

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    I'd like to Jamie Joseph or Jake White as next coach Not sure what other options are out there?

    Laurie Fisher as forwards coach too please.

    And find a god damn decent attacking coach.

    And a bloody kicking coach.
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  8. Slim 293 George Gregan (70)

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    Latu deserved his starting spot with consistently good performances...

    Uelese though was largely invisible, and showed no signs of his 2017 form... shouldn't have featured so regularly ahead of Faingaa whose form was way ahead, and stronger in the set piece.
  9. Slim 293 George Gregan (70)

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    10/12 is going to be interesting....

    Toomua should be the frontrunner for 10 (and will need to play there for the Rebels) as really the last experienced option left unless one of the rookies steps up.

    JOC might have an inside running for 12, and will likely play there for the Reds with Petaia at 13.
  10. KOB1987 Steve Williams (59)

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    If you make the wild assumption that the next coach picks the same players we are left with something like this as the incumbent side:

    1. Sio
    2. Uelese
    3. AAA
    4. Simmons
    5. Rodda
    6. LSL
    7. Hooper
    8. Naisarani
    9. White
    10. Toomua
    11. Koroibete
    12. JOC
    13. Petaia
    14. Hodge
    15. Beale

    16. Faingaa
    17. Slipper
    18. Tupou
    19. (Rookie)
    20. Dempsey
    21. Powell
    22. Kuridrani
    23. DHP

    Which really isn’t too bad a base to work from. I suspect that faingaa will usurp Uelese as the starter, a youngster will start at lock ahead of Simmons and Dempsey will overtake LSL, or perhaps LSL starts at lock. Toomua, kurtley and Kuridrani will all be phased out this cycle. Angus Crichton will return this cycle also.

    Behind these blokes above there is a fair bit of depth in some areas. E.g. Robertson, Holloway, Samu, Gordon, Maddocks, Banks etc. The worry is what to do at 10, hopefully something really good transpires from these younger fellas.
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  11. sidelineview Banned

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    The Junior Wallabies and Schoolboys are looking good.
    Hopefully, RA can keep them on the books.
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  12. Beer Baron Bill McLean (32)

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    This is a problem we still haven’t solved since Foley went south. Too mua is non-sensical imho. He was 3rd string behind foley and llf so why on earth would he start now. I’d rather lose by 40 giving deegan, Lucas or some other 20 yr old a crack.

    We need to stop being desperate recruiting has beens from OS to come back and be our saviours. Show some faith in the local.

    #4 a halfback who has KPI’s related to how many steps he takes before passing (Genia almost owes my neighbour a new tv)
    #5 bring back the torp
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  13. upthereds#! Bob Davidson (42)

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    4. Rodda 5. LSL
    6. Dempsey 8. Naisarani 7. Hoops

    19. Simmons 20. Valetini

    2020 will be a bit dire. 2022 We will hopefully see if our youngsters, in particular locks, will come through. Playmakers obviously a problem, a lot rides on how guys like Deegan, Harrison, Lucas etc progress. Lot's of opportunity for them.

    Keen to see how middle tier guys and league converts end up shaping up to provide centre and wing depth - Wright, Simone, Foketi, Moeroa, Kata & Vunivalu (maybe)
  14. fatprop David Wilson (68)

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    Don't discount Tepai Moeroa as a smokey for 12, he was dominant at schools level before clocking up over 100 NRL games - he would give us that big tough, strong human to get over the advantage line
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  15. cyclopath Phil Waugh (73)

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    God this gets trotted out a lot. He has not at any point showed any real interest in coaching in the Wallaby structure. Why? Don't know.
    But I very much doubt he will be in the mix.
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  16. cyclopath Phil Waugh (73)

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  17. fatprop David Wilson (68)

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    We can assume the rumours are correct and Rennie has the job, unless he has changed markedly his coaching approach since leaving the chiefs, it will be attacking rugby.

    May I also add, have a look at our rugby "leader" Scott Johnson, he is the guy who installed Townsend at Scotland
  18. KOB1987 Steve Williams (59)

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    I'm reasonably well connected to his family. It's literally pub talk, but it's well sourced pub talk. His contract at the Roosters will run its course but after that it's game on. Put it this way, he has pretty much achieved everything he wanted to in loig.
  19. dru Steve Williams (59)

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    I like Eddie Jones as a coach. AT the last RWC while leading Japan he was asked how you would coach England. His response was along the lines of "you would coach them to play like England". I'd imagine that if he had control of the ABs, they would look very much like they do.

    I'm not convinced that Dave Rennie would coach an England much like they are. And coaching Australia is harder than that for a coach. Not the depth for one.

    I thought that Dingo's problem was, while he had a plan, a good one and proven, it needed depth to be able select the team to play it. It worked at the Crusaders, but not for the Wallabies.

    I like Rennie, but is he the right bloke?
  20. fatprop David Wilson (68)

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    I don't think there is a right person, there are only options that are like the players, flawed
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