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Wallabies 2020

Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by A mutterer, Oct 19, 2019.

  1. Ignoto Dick Tooth (41)

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    I don't mind a flawed person, because everyone will make mistakes in their lives. It's the people who never learn from their mistakes and continue doing the same thing over and over again is where you have a problem.

    Hopefully that entire coaching backroom gets overhauled because outside of the forwards/Simon can you say has worked over the last two years?
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  2. fatprop David Wilson (68)

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    I was more meaning ability wise than life choices, we have hookers who can't throw, centres who can't pass, a back row that is not dynamic enough; and a whole team that just doesn't work hard enough off the ball
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  3. wamberal Simon Poidevin (60)

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    You omitted the ability to kick. I grew up in an era when kicking was the bugbear of the game. Today not being able to kick is the bugbear.
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  4. fatprop David Wilson (68)

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    And the want to chase those kicks
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  5. barbarian Michael Lynagh (62)

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    I'm genuinely optimistic about the future of this team. Mainly because of our forwards.

    Our prop stocks have never been better - Sio and AAA are now in the discussion for our best ever props, Taniela is a gun, and we've got arguably three other test standard props in Slipper, HJH and Robertson.

    Would have loved to keep Latu but Faingaa and Uelese will get better next year.

    Lock is a bit of a short-term worry, but there's plenty of good young blokes coming through. And Rodda looks like a future captain.

    And in the backrow we're overflowing, with plenty of 20s guys to come.

    10 is completely barren, but if we find a good coach I'm hopeful we can find someone to steer the ship. And I'd argue someone like Deegan would have probably been just as good as Foley and Lilo were anyway.
  6. Seb V Geoff Shaw (53)

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    This has always completely baffled me, as a nation were AFL is one of the national sports and our players are terrible kickers.
  7. Seb V Geoff Shaw (53)

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    The problem if you don't start Toomua is your throwing a rookie into test rugby, in a natural leadership position. Ideally you want to ease him. So Toomua looks to start the season as he's the last man standing.

    It's a big ask to chuck a rookie with only one season of super xv straight into organising the backline at the wallabies.
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  8. barbarian Michael Lynagh (62)

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    It wouldn't shock me to see Hodge given some time at 10 again in the next 12 months or so, and kicking is a big part of that.

    His boot is so much better than anyone else here.
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  9. fatprop David Wilson (68)

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    I think there is a difference between having a big boot and having a big boot who can consistently clear, quickly from 10

    and I would prefer to see White do the clearances, I have never seen the point to send the ball back 15 to make 30 when you can make the 30 or 40 from the back of a well constructed ruck
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  10. dru Paul McLean (56)

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    One of the things we are hearing limits our exit ability, is the lack of left foot kickers in the backline.

    How are we in the u20s? We talk about skills training, is it happening at this level?
  11. Seb V Geoff Shaw (53)

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    I disagree, it's so slow and telegraphed he'll get charged down more times then Foley
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  12. Seb V Geoff Shaw (53)

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    I really don't understand why we don't utilise our halfback to clear from the base of the ruck. Half the other international team add 2 players to the back of the ruck, roll the ball back giving the halfback extra space. A simple strategy.

    White has a big boot, and Genia has a good boot too. They could easily have a decent clearance.
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  13. fatprop David Wilson (68)

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    That would help, I remember being told that Warren Ryan spent the whole off seasons making his players pass only on their bad side (the same but different)

    I also remember an interview with Link where he talked about the problems of getting players take the skill drills seriously and to stop f*cking around
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  14. eastman Jimmy Flynn (14)

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    I'd say Latu is significantly superior to his competitors at the moment- I'm not sure where the love for Uelese has come from either. He's not good at the set-piece and his broken field play/ ball- running isn't at a Latu/ TPN- level either.
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  15. Adam84 Arch Winning (36)

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    I’ve often maintained that test rugby shouldn’t be a theatre for development, but I think this needs to change in 2020 and I think they need to focus on team development specifically in the key areas they’re lacking.

    Don’t play Toomua at 5/8 just because he is the next best available, because ultimately he isn’t the long term 5/8 choice, select and focus on the player who is going to deliver long term benefit. I don’t know if that’s Deegan, Lucas, Harrison or whoever the other emerging 5/8s are, hopefully they will identify themeselves during the 2020 SR season, That doesn’t mean throwing him to the wolves from game 1, but ensure he gets plenty of game time and just riding the pine or bringing him on with 5mins to go in a game that’s already or lost.

    5/8 is the biggest issue, the rest of the positions have someone who can fill them, but we lack any suitable 5/8 options.
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  16. Lost Ward Prentice (10)

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    We need to make deeper changes than that, many more need to move on permanently. New broom

  17. Adam84 Arch Winning (36)

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    Halfbacks is an interesting one.

    Powell might have more time in Wallabies camp, but I’m not a massive fan, he is 25 so he isn’t exactly a rookie anymore, he should be ahead of where he is. Likewise with Jake Gordon. I expect both to be involved in the wallabies in 2020 but don’t think they’ll cement themselves as the starting half.

    Tate McDermott is a player who interests me for 2020, greater potential then the above two, his strength is his running game, and his passing game is still pretty good but needs a bit of work, likewise his game control. Really exciting player to watch.
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  18. cyclopath Phil Waugh (73)

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    AFL kicking and rugby kicking are not analogous in many ways at all. The situations are different, the ball is different. Most of the skilled work is short accurate kick-pass. The longer kicks are uncontested at the point of kick mostly. And looking around the world, most rugby nations develop a kicking game without the input of AFL. The fix lies in-house, not from out-sourcing per se. But it requires a change in mentality at all levels with regard to kicking.
  19. Lorenzo Trevor Allan (34)

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    Finding a defence coach is going to be the most difficult problem.

    The pool of head coaches is fairly obvious. Same with players.

    Finding a D coach is difficult because the best guy could be hiding anywhere, largely unheralded.
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  20. Silverado Vay Wilson (31)

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    Totally agree Wam, I started playing in the Galloping Greens era when we ran from everywhere because possession was King. We haven't moved with the times. With the rucks contestable territory is King. Even the ABs get themselves out of the danger zone before putting on the razzle dazzle. Chip kicks in your own 22 is rugby suicide
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