Wallabies v England in Melbourne, 18 June
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Mark Ella (57)
So, Stage 5 starts on Thursday and he will be assessed at that time
Yes. Assuming he doesn't get held up on any of the previous steps in the next day or so he will do a contact session on Thursday and if he gets through it without concussion symptoms he would presumably get named in the side on Thursday.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
I think Moore needs to step up both performance and leadership. It looked like he won the first quarter managing Roman but gradually lost control and never looked like regaining it.
This will be even more important if we again put on quick early points, as it's starting to look like a habit that Cheika's teams develop of playing much softer after scoring too many points early.
I expect more of the same from Australia but hopefully we should be less rusty.
This will be even more important if we again put on quick early points, as it's starting to look like a habit that Cheika's teams develop of playing much softer after scoring too many points early.
I expect more of the same from Australia but hopefully we should be less rusty.
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I'd like to see Horne dropped. His injury was self inflicted and cost us dearly. It was such a poor and disappointing display from a Wallabies Vice-Captain.
I thought Phipps was slow and cumbersome. If Horne didn't injure himself, I think we would have seen half an hour of the pickle at least.
Hooper needs to alter his play a little in attack, even more so now Pocock's out.
I'd like to see him trailing Folau/Kerevi/Kuridrani in attack and popping up on their inside or outside shoulder for an offload. Failing that, hes still in the prime position for an effective clean-out and quick recycle. We were isolated far too much in attack on the weekend with too many forwards thinking about the next phase.
I understand that Cheika wants Fardy (left)and Hooper (right)roaming the tram tacks on each side of the field to exploit their ball carrying abilities. The core of the plan involves quick recycled ball with the big forwards taking hit-ups in the middle of the park, spread to the wider channels for Hooper, Fardy, Folau, K² to make metres in the holes out wide.
The problem on the weekend came on the second and third phases of attack in centre-field. Our "middle-pod" would get tied up in a ruck and the next phase we'd barely have a forward to manage the next ruck.
I thought Phipps was slow and cumbersome. If Horne didn't injure himself, I think we would have seen half an hour of the pickle at least.
Hooper needs to alter his play a little in attack, even more so now Pocock's out.
I'd like to see him trailing Folau/Kerevi/Kuridrani in attack and popping up on their inside or outside shoulder for an offload. Failing that, hes still in the prime position for an effective clean-out and quick recycle. We were isolated far too much in attack on the weekend with too many forwards thinking about the next phase.
I understand that Cheika wants Fardy (left)and Hooper (right)roaming the tram tacks on each side of the field to exploit their ball carrying abilities. The core of the plan involves quick recycled ball with the big forwards taking hit-ups in the middle of the park, spread to the wider channels for Hooper, Fardy, Folau, K² to make metres in the holes out wide.
The problem on the weekend came on the second and third phases of attack in centre-field. Our "middle-pod" would get tied up in a ruck and the next phase we'd barely have a forward to manage the next ruck.
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Greg Davis (50)
Seriously?
Nope, you don't understand. It's to enable us to play a wider game. They're there for the next breakdown. The aim is for them not to get the ball, since that defeats the purpose of the tactic.
Are you sure you were watching the right match?
As for your unsporting comments about Horne, give yourself an uppercut please.
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Phipps looked spent after 30 minutes. He was doing a lot of walking.
That's what I meant about too many forwards thinking about the next phase. As I said, most of the English turnovers were after slow phase ball midfield from a forward hitup. Our midfield pod gets caught in the ruck and their defensive line is set! Throwing it wide to their numbers isn't an option on slow ball, you saw it on the weekend that we just end up losing 10 or more metres.
Our defensive specialist and Vice Captain, with plenty of time to think, decided to tackle a player with his head in front of their knee's. He gets concussed and ruled out of the rest of the game. Now we're down a winger on a 6/2 bench split.
I have a particular type of disdain for "professionals" that choose to tackle like this because
a) it's coached out of you from u9's &
b) I've seen an amateur tackle like this in club footy end up with a fractured c6 vertebrae
a) exists because of consequences like b)
Horne's the only one that needs an uppercut
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The problem is, he did it intentionally. He was trying to grasscut him at the same time.
Back on topic, I'd be dropping Horne because he's not one of the top 2 wingers available, and his midfield defense isn't needed with K² there.
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Trevor Allan (34)
Yeah but the reasons you can "fail" a concussion test are broad and non-specific now I.e you could answer all the questions perfectly and have no symptoms but if the medic thinks he saw you look stunned or dazed they can (and arguably should) "fail" you on suspicion.
Great for player safety but having false positives is certainly possible. in Horne's example on Saturday I could see the steam coming out of his ears when he wasn't allowed back on from where I was sitting in the stands. He actually got back to the sideline and warmed up but then the Dr ran down from the tunnel and grabbed him again and told him to sit down. He may have been a false positive and be fine for this week.
Great for player safety but having false positives is certainly possible. in Horne's example on Saturday I could see the steam coming out of his ears when he wasn't allowed back on from where I was sitting in the stands. He actually got back to the sideline and warmed up but then the Dr ran down from the tunnel and grabbed him again and told him to sit down. He may have been a false positive and be fine for this week.
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Mark Ella (57)
Does team get announced on Thursday ???????????
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Mark Ella (57)
I'm not a fan of Horne either. I'd have either Tomane, Speight, Mitchell, JOC (James O'Connor) , AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and now DHP ahead of him.
But when you say not in the top 2 wingers available, who else is there avaliable? I doubt Naya or Nubili is a better option, Morahan the only one I would consider ready for test rugby.
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David Wilson (68)
Re your last question, Nabuli was in the original squad. He palys 11 for the Reds, and is a big bugger with a bit of toe. Sure, he's inexperienced at this level, but I'd be prepared to say he could make a good fist of it if chosen.
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Morahan. I'd rather we had an out and out winger and finisher with toe. Until Beale, Speight or Tomane are available anyway.
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David Wilson (68)
@Groucho, I also thought Phipps' service was on the slow side especially during the second half. He was late getting to some rucks, didn't make to others, and his delivery of the pass seemed to be delayed also which put the whole backline under pressure from the England rush defense. I put it down to the speed of the Wallabies' attack in the first half and the fact that many plays went from side to side so there was a fair distance between successive rucks on occasions. However, regardless of the reasons, he was slower than his usual self in that second half, and probably would have been replaced with 20 to go or thereabouts had there been a 5/3 split on the bench.
For Melbourne, Phipps will start because he is the best No 9 available, but hopefully Cheika does the right thing and plays three backs off the bench so that tired players can be rested when necessary.
For Melbourne, Phipps will start because he is the best No 9 available, but hopefully Cheika does the right thing and plays three backs off the bench so that tired players can be rested when necessary.
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