Wallaby 31 players for 2015 RWC

[Brumbieman]

Fuck him.


If he wants to go, let him. If he's that small minded and doesn't think the Wallaby/Waratah jersey (after all the help they've given him him getting him through rehab etc) is worthy of enough to respect to just enter into negotiations without pulling the 'but i'll run away if you don't think i'm the best' rugby league option....

...then he can fuck off.

I'm sick of these smartarse kids treating the jersey like a job, and not respecting it enough to do the honourable thing. IMO anytime there is a single whiff of a rugby league threat being played in negotiations, the offer should be immediately tabled that you re-sign on the same contract value/deals etc that you're currently on, and you've got one week to take it, otherwise you get to go play at the Bulldogs, glass your missus and shag dogs, as it's clearly the quality of life you deserve.

 

[Braveheart81]

Fuck him.


If he wants to go, let him. If he's that small minded and doesn't think the Wallaby/Waratah jersey (after all the help they've given him him getting him through rehab etc) is worthy of enough to respect to just enter into negotiations without pulling the 'but i'll run away if you don't think i'm the best' rugby league option..

.then he can fuck off.

I'm sick of these smartarse kids treating the jersey like a job, and not respecting it enough to do the honourable thing. IMO anytime there is a single whiff of a rugby league threat being played in negotiations, the offer should be immediately tabled that you re-sign on the same contract value/deals etc that you're currently on, and you've got one week to take it, otherwise you get to go play at the Bulldogs, glass your missus and shag dogs, as it's clearly the quality of life you deserve.

So angry you posted it twice!

I think people need to calm down a bit.

The story today was driven by a journalist talking to Lote Tuqiri who said he'd spoken to Beale about the NRL at some point in the past.

This situation happens with many Wallabies when their contracts are up for renewal. There is talk about the NRL for anyone who is a playmaker of some sort. For everyone else the talk is of France or elsewhere in Europe.

 

[qwerty51]

Yes get enraged about something that hasn't even happened yet.

 

[Jets]

But it is his job. I have no issue with him going to the Bulldogs but like qwerty said I can't see it happening before the RWC. Beale may not be a starter in the team but provides excellent value off the bench. Also he covers 3 positions, and potentially the wing.

If IF is out I think I'd want him as our 15 for the Wallabies.

 

[A mutterer]

beale would not make a kangaroos team, so he would be walking from a rather cemented utility/impact bench role for the wallabies and a starring (?) role in the tahs to ..... just club footy?

good luck to him if he chooses that, the money would have to be pretty decent on that kind of scorecard.

 

[wamberal]

beale would not make a kangaroos team, so he would be walking from a rather cemented utility/impact bench role for the wallabies and a starring (?) role in the tahs to ... just club footy?

good luck to him if he chooses that, the money would have to be pretty decent on that kind of scorecard.

This is the professional era, all sensible players will take the intangibles into account (for example, the value of representing the country) but, in the end, money talks and bullshit walks.

By the way, to talk about the NRL as "just club footy" is a bit silly. The big NRL clubs are far more popular than the Waratahs, by any measure. Apart from anything else, they do get to appear on FTA pretty regularly, and they get far more press coverage.

 

[Train Without a Station]

I'd doubt they have any greater real popularity. The Waratahs would be comparable with all Sydney NRL Clubs for attendance and memberships.

 

[Jets]

It would reduce his value for a big payday at the end of his career though as he would be off the international stage. I'm sure plenty of French and Japaneses clubs would still look at him though.

 

[A mutterer]

This is the professional era, all sensible players will take the intangibles into account (for example, the value of representing the country) but, in the end, money talks and bullshit walks.

By the way, to talk about the NRL as "just club footy" is a bit silly. The big NRL clubs are far more popular than the Waratahs, by any measure. Apart from anything else, they do get to appear on FTA pretty regularly, and they get far more press coverage.

but the fact remains that it IS just club footy. i'd be making the same sort of comment about club rugby and the S15 clubs.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I think KB (Kurtley Beale) is a fantastic player but the fact is that he isn't a starter for the Wallabies in any position at the moment. Is he a better 10 than Foley or Cooper? No. Is he a better 12 than To'omua? Hell no. Is he a better 15 than Izzy? Absolutely not. His undeniable value comes from the ability to cover those three positions and to allow Link to have a very flexible game plan. That's worth something for sure. He'll get a bump up because he's been good on and off the paddock this year, but if he wants to chase the money in the NRL then let him. We shouldn't be getting into a bidding war over a bloke who might only be 50/50 about staying in the code. I don't like seeing clubs, provinces or the ARU breaking the bank to keep one player. That just doesn't work in a team sport like ours.

 

[BDA]

It seems pretty par for the course these days for players to make their options very public when negotiating a new contract. Every good manager knows that the media machine works wonders in giving players the upper-hand in contract negotiations. I doubt Beale would sign with the NRL before the world cup. That seems like a stupid decision but he's doing the intelligent thing by at least considering his options.

The only thing that really concerned me about the 'Beale to League' talk was some comments he made in a interview regarding that fact that he was playing on the bench for the wallabies, despite thinking he was in great form. I don't recall his exact words but I recall getting the impression he was threatening to walk in circumstances where he wasn't being considered a starting player. This really pissed me off, just a horrible attitude to have. news flash Kurtley - if you were clearly the best player in any position then you would be in the starting side, but youre not. To'omua is a better 12 and Cooper/Foley are better 10s. Folau is a better 15. If you feel sitting on the bench for Australia is beneath you head over to league where, guess what, you probably won't even make the Australian Squad, given the amount of talent they have ATM.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

It seems pretty par for the course these days for players to make their options very public when negotiating a new contract. Every good manager knows that the media machine works wonders in giving players the upper-hand in contract negotiations. I doubt Beale would sign with the NRL before the world cup. That seems like a stupid decision but he's doing to intelligent thing by at least considering his options.

The only thing that really concerned me about the 'Beale to League' talk was some comments he made in a interview regarding that fact that he was playing on the bench for the wallabies, despite thinking he was in great form. I don't recall his exact words but I recall getting the impression he was threatening to walk in circumstances where he wasn't being considered a starting player. This really pissed me off, just a horrible attitude to have. news flash Kurtley - if you were clearly the best player in any position then you would be in the starting side, but your not. To'omua is a better 12 and Cooper/Foley are better 10s. Folau is a better 15. If you feel sitting on the bench for Australia is beneath you head over to league where, guess what, you probably won't even make the Australian Squad, given the amount of talent they have ATM.

Totally agree on all counts. Your second paragraph matches up with my recollection too: he was making not so subtle noises about not being happy about being on the bench for the Wallabies. Here's the thing: there are only 15 positions on the paddock, many of them highly specialised. If you want to start for the national team you've got to displace one of the incumbents and he's not currently playing well enough (even though he has been excellent this season) to displace any of those players. I certainly don't want him playing 10 for the Wallabies, because he doesn't bring the other backs into the game enough in that position. His first instinct seems to be to have a crack himself, which is fine at 12 or 15, but not at 10.

 

[Train Without a Station]

BDA I get the impression that it's his spot in the pecking order that's the issue, not the remuneration. I imagine he'd be on a deal now similar to what the NRL would offer.

To me, and this is jumping to wild conclusions, that he somewhat resents the success of the Wallabies of late coming at his expense somewhat.

 

[Braveheart81]

I completely agree that some of Beale's comments weren't good.

I'm not sure I agree that there was necessarily a negative motive behind them though. I don't think he's ever come across particularly well in interviews because I think he talks through his thought processes far more than he should.

He made comments along the lines of that he has to consider where he currently sits in the pecking order and work out what are in his best interests and that the NRL is an option but there's also the RWC next year.

I think all those things are correct and are absolutely things any player should be thinking about when they're weighing up their options. They're not something anyone should be saying out loud though because it reflects poorly on them and makes it look like they're about to jump ship or unhappy about where they are.

His attitude this season seems better than it has ever been before and that gives me more faith than anything else.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I think all those things are correct and are absolutely things any player should be thinking about when they're weighing up their options. They're not something anyone should be saying out loud though because it reflects poorly on them and makes it look like they're about to jump ship or unhappy about where they are.

His attitude this season seems better than it has ever been before and that gives me more faith than anything else.

Bingo. No different from one of my team sitting in their performance review, having a whinge about where they sit in the pecking order and wondering out loud if they should consider other options. My immediate reaction would be, fine off you go then. It's OK to think it, but if you come out and say it you leave the other party no choice.

 

[emuarse]

Fuck him.


If he wants to go, let him. If he's that small minded and doesn't think the Wallaby/Waratah jersey (after all the help they've given him him getting him through rehab etc) is worthy of enough to respect to just enter into negotiations without pulling the 'but i'll run away if you don't think i'm the best' rugby league option..

.then he can fuck off.

I'm sick of these smartarse kids treating the jersey like a job, and not respecting it enough to do the honourable thing. IMO anytime there is a single whiff of a rugby league threat being played in negotiations, the offer should be immediately tabled that you re-sign on the same contract value/deals etc that you're currently on, and you've got one week to take it, otherwise you get to go play at the Bulldogs, glass your missus and shag dogs, as it's clearly the quality of life you deserve.

Beale going to RL would be a bigger mistake than his going to the Rebels.
If you thump your skipper in league, then you have an all out brawl with blood, skin, teeth flying hell west & everywhere.
I couldn't really see him surviving in that environment.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Beale going to RL would be a bigger mistake than his going to the Rebels.
If you thump your skipper in league, then you have an all out brawl with blood, skin, teeth flying hell west & everywhere.
I couldn't really see him surviving in that environment.

You forgot feces and optionally urine.

 

[qwerty51]

Anyone catch the Back Page last night, they were discussing Beale's potential to the NRL and Crash Craddock said it would the worst possible thing for him to move to league because of their culture and what it would do to him, certainly fired James Hooper up. Later on Kelli Underwood poked fun at the NRL too about a "gentleman's agreement" in league (reference to the scrums) which I reckon she stole straight from GAGR!

 

[wamberal]

I'd doubt they have any greater real popularity. The Waratahs would be comparable with all Sydney NRL Clubs for attendance and memberships.

Mmm...... so that's why the mungoes talk about the union calculator.

 

[Braveheart81]

Mmm.. so that's why the mungoes talk about the union calculator.

Clearly when you consolidate the Sydney NRL clubs they're much bigger than the Waratahs. On any individual basis though, they're fairly similar. Tahs have more members and average spectators, NRL gets much higher TV ratings (both of FTA or Foxtel - which is probably a sign of overall fans rather than any one club's fans).

Rugby Union attracts far higher calibre sponsors than NRL clubs because there have been far less off field disasters.

The premier NRL sponsors will mostly only sponsor events/competitions rather than teams because it creates more distance between themselves and off field issues.