Wallaby Coaching Staff

[amirite]

Indeed, and as my initial post schooling profession was in the sciences I retain that fondness for data and analysis of it.

As you say the sample size is too small to make a reliable judgement, but that is just another reason why he shouldn't be in any position at the highest level at this stage, there simply is nothing to support it. Much the same as Richard Graham being "assistant" coach under Deans, though at the time everyone accepted it because "The Master Coach" said it was good. Cheika is rightfully facing some scrutiny and selection of a complete and balanced coaching group is one of those components that should be under question.

Well that lines up with my original point of "don't put him on the scrap heap yet". I wouldn't make the point he's ready for the top job.

 

[Strewthcobber]

We probably only get a chance once every 8 to 12 years to make a big splash with the public, when we get a world cup in our timezone.

The games in the middle of the night just don't make any sort of impression

I reckon 2011 was the real beginning of the end. We have a one off chance in Japan in 2019 to turn things around. Miss out there, and its curtains

 

[NTT]

Great post mate. My ire is roused when I consider how much money the ARU have "pissed up the Wall" (Bill Pulver, yes, Pissed up the wall), in fundamental mismanagement issues over the past few years. Even if I immediately accept the ARU's current funding imperatives and systems they wasted enough money to fund the specialist coaches that started this conversation.

Maybe its time that the NSW influence on the ARU board to be removed. NSW were outraged Perth got the franchise ahead of Melbourne. All that has happened since has been the neglect of the Force in terms of financial and talent equalisation support ($0 in bailouts, the concentration of Wallabies at NSW meaning they got to spend $2 million over the salary cap to chase a maiden title, the $110 000 fine the Force copped for talking to Al Kanaar) then they pushed very hard to get Melbourne a team that has done nothing but bleed money.
We've tried things the NSW way and look where we are now.

 

[Gnostic]

Maybe its time that the NSW influence on the ARU board to be removed. NSW were outraged Perth got the franchise ahead of Melbourne. All that has happened since has been the neglect of the Force in terms of financial and talent equalisation support ($0 in bailouts, the concentration of Wallabies at NSW meaning they got to spend $2 million over the salary cap to chase a maiden title, the $110 000 fine the Force copped for talking to Al Kanaar) then they pushed very hard to get Melbourne a team that has done nothing but bleed money.

We've tried things the NSW way and look where we are now.

Oh FFS - try to get past the victimhood mentality of WA Rugby and actually see the realities. Has WA Rugby been a net contributor to Australian Rugby? They have received $0 in bailout cash yet are in a "partnership" with the ARU which can be read as ARU speak for bailout. The chip on the shoulder about talent equalisation is rubbish in a market which you offer what you want to players especially after they had a talent stacked side in the first years.

And don't take this as a support for the NSWRU, go back to 2009/2010 and you'll find I was relentless in my disdain and contempt for them.

That said will it be the fault of the ARU, NSWRU or QRU if the Force fail to put together a competitive side next year after they signed a coach with no real success record. Is it NSWRU's fault the WA board was beyond blind and stupid when they signed Michael Foley as HC when it was apparent he and Hickey had destroyed the supporter base of the Tahs and done absolutely nothing with a high potential squad at the Tahs? WA Rugby's problems in play and support have far more to do with the same incestuous inept management that is seen throughout Australian Rugby than anything anybody else has done or not done to or for you.

 

[wamberal]

Maybe its time that the NSW influence on the ARU board to be removed. NSW were outraged Perth got the franchise ahead of Melbourne. .

Let's just deconstruct this situation, shall we?


First, you assert that "there is a NSW influence on the ARU Board".


Then you assert that "NSW were outraged when the Board decided that the Force won the fourth franchise"?


Are they the same NSW? Or different ones?


Which one has too much influence on the Board? NSW or NSW? I think we should be told.

 

[amirite]

I think we also need to realise that if NSW is, say, 50% of the Australian rugby population, of course they're going to exert 50% of the influence.

Is this corruption? Or is this an even vote that just feels uneven because it's not in your favour.

FYI, I'm not from NSW and have never been involved in NSW rugby.

 

[wamberal]

The Force came into Super Rugby on the back of a huge amount of goodwill throughout most of the rugby community. Okay, the Victorians were not very happy, which is understandable. But I know for a fact that the ARU Board was amazed at the depth of community support in WA for the franchise.

Since then we have seen a series of sad mistakes (Firepower, as a prime example) and pretty poor on-field performances. Virtually all, maybe all, of the Force's problems are self-inflicted, which is really sad for the whole game.

 

[papabear]

Just read the EJ (Eddie Jones) bought in ryles to help with englands defence. I daresay the wallabies might get some vengeance there with that powder puff teaching them to hit.

 

[Scrubber2050]

I think we also need to realise that if NSW is, say, 50% of the Australian rugby population, of course they're going to exert 50% of the influence.

Is this corruption? Or is this an even vote that just feels uneven because it's not in your favour.

FYI, I'm not from NSW and have never been involved in NSW rugby.

Your point was addressed at Federation of the States.

That is precisely why we have a Senate (to give equal representation of all the States)

 

[cyclopath]

Your point was addressed at Federation of the States.

That is precisely why we have a Senate (to give equal representation of all the States)

That's right. All states have the equal ability to elect peanuts to the Senate, or appoint dubious coaches after dubious worldwide searches.
Now, where was the bit about Rugby in Federation?
If ever something looked suited to a benign dictatorship, it's rugby. Not saying that's what we have, of course.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Where in the Constitution does it mention Rugby?

I rest my case.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Where in the Constitution does it mention Rugby?

I rest my case.

Rugby, of course should have been mentioned and until a fair deal reached between the States in respect of that important issue Federation should have stalled

Mabo, of coarse was a majority decision by the High Court Justices.

The apportionment of Left Wing Lionel made the difference.

Justice was served (some say), but only by a heartbeat.

History lesson over

 

[Mr Wobbly]

If rugby had been a key issue for Federation perhaps we wouldn't have AFL and NRL all over our TVs and newspapers.

And, there wouldn't be "too many Warratahs".

 

[Scrubber2050]

If rugby had been a key issue for Federation perhaps we wouldn't have AFL and NRL all over our TVs and newspapers.

And, there wouldn't be "too many Warratahs".

Mate I also have trouble spelling THAT word

 

[Mr Wobbly]

Mate I also have trouble spelling THAT word

Oh yeah.

Apologies Waratah fans

 

[Hugh Jarse]

^^^ No need to apologise. Just reinforces existing stereotypes.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Community side of WA rugby made great inroads in fairness and validated decision on community grounds. I think blame just at hands of Force Management is a bit harsh as do believe more support could have been made available to help their success. As Reds, Brumbies and Tahs with large amount of Wallabies and ARU top payments does create an unfair playing field. Fair enough that Force management/board contributed perhaps to some of their demise with selection of Foley and the Firepower fiasco...but I also think more could have been done to support the Force establish themselves personally. Whether that is a draft system or something else I don't know but the playing field has not been very level and I personally believe having the Force very important for rugby in this country as part of creating a national game. Especially given it is one of the few states where nrl does not have a presence....and you can bet if Force were to be removed the nrl would establish a side in Perth pronto to fill the void which would be hugely damaging for rugby...

 

[Scrubber2050]

Chek ATM is 5 from 12 - pretty poor

Think we should comfortably beat the Frogs but am worried about both Ireland and England.

The score could very easily end up being 6 from 15 - that is just unacceptable at any level and all the Coaches should be given the blow torch (if that happens) and the position declared vacant.

On the positive side the Wallabies win against the Frogs and the Grand Slam. Chek will go down as one of the greatest ever coaches in Australian history.

We have all seen the cracks in Chek's demeanor in the last several weeks and his sometimes inability to handle certain aspects that is expected of a national coach. I think he is under incredible pressure ATM so the next few games are probably more important to his coaching future than anything else.

Interesting 3 weeks or so coming up.

 

[Braveheart81]

You're one of the only people who thinks he should be sacked.

I think the major reason there isn't noise in the media about it is that most people accept there isn't anyone better for the job.

If we finish the season winning 6 from 15 test matches it will go down as a poor season but I doubt there will be much noise at all suggesting that Cheika should be sacked.

 

[Lindommer]

Mabo, of course, was a majority decision by the High Court Justices. The apportionment of Left Wing Lionel made the difference. Justice was served (some say), but only by a heartbeat.

History lesson over.

Murphy wasn't on the High Court when Mabo was handed down. The decision was 6:1, hardly a heartbeat.

Incorrect historical reference corrected.